serdar Member 24 Member For: 12y 9m 28d Gender: Male Posted 07/02/12 07:10 AM Share Posted 07/02/12 07:10 AM F6mark , how does the CES sound ? , Is yours stainless or mild ?.I have been looking at a full system now for awhile and have tossed up between CES , NIZPRO and Xforce . Have heard xforce can sometimes be hit & miss with attention to deatil but value for money is fantastic .Nizpro I've heard can be very hard to fit and can make a crackling noise from the muffler when they get hot and when the engine is turned off , but still a very good system .I think I will go with the CES ( Im sure there a issues with them as well , only heard 1 though ) because I live a hour or so away from the factory so I can go and have a look at how they are made , and if there is a problem with the system I can take it back and should be able to get it sorted all on the same day .All things have they're issues IMO the X-force system is a great bang for buck system....when it comes to fitment quality and clearance over diffs and etc that depends on who fits the system and they're attention to detail....it's not really a question of what brand has a better flow....its about how much power you want out of your car and what TYPE of system will give u the flow required to make the power you want.....when I mean type I refer to pipe size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionicxr6t05 Bronze Donating Members 2,216 Member For: 13y 4m 3d Gender: Male Posted 07/02/12 07:49 AM Share Posted 07/02/12 07:49 AM when I fitted that cat back system didnt matter what I did loosen all bolts and re tighten u name it it hit the subframe, same thing with 2nd system only marginally better. right price themselves said they always modify xforce exhausts to fit. while I waited for them to f*ck around I had massive zip ties around the exhaust hangars stopping it from touching. nothing to do with how it was fitted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serdar Member 24 Member For: 12y 9m 28d Gender: Male Posted 07/02/12 08:11 AM Share Posted 07/02/12 08:11 AM I fitted one to my mates BA had to oxy heat the mount brackets and bend them abit..nothings ever easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillz Three pedals are better then two.. Donating Members 15,637 Member For: 17y 6m 4d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 07/02/12 09:56 AM Share Posted 07/02/12 09:56 AM As far as the CES one I would of thought the less welds the better no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Resident idiot. Donating Members 2,068 Member For: 14y 2m 10d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 07/02/12 10:13 AM Share Posted 07/02/12 10:13 AM what about smb in the mix?They make the best system I've seen yet.But the company seems to forget you when you place an order or ask a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serdar Member 24 Member For: 12y 9m 28d Gender: Male Posted 07/02/12 10:34 AM Share Posted 07/02/12 10:34 AM As far as the CES one I would of thought the less welds the better no?this is true...can you just imagine a fully mandrel system only welded where the pipping met the cat and mufflers...true flow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossmang FREAKY Donating Members 12,430 Member For: 14y 11m 5d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 07/02/12 10:37 AM Share Posted 07/02/12 10:37 AM so smb and ces make their systems using small sections welded together! esp their dumpsso who makes proper full length pipework then? with weld joins only at flanges and mufflers etc????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XYZ Donating Members 1,171 Member For: 15y 2m 13d Posted 07/02/12 11:32 AM Share Posted 07/02/12 11:32 AM At the end of the day, SMB, Xforce and CES are all "off the shelf" exhausts..For the money you pay for the SMB/CES you might as well get one custom made.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never had any say Panda I <3 Floods Silver Donating Members 11,198 Member For: 13y 3m 29d Gender: Male Location: South West QLD Posted 07/02/12 11:43 AM Share Posted 07/02/12 11:43 AM Would custom make that much different where exhausts are concerned though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Resident idiot. Donating Members 2,068 Member For: 14y 2m 10d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 07/02/12 11:49 AM Share Posted 07/02/12 11:49 AM If I was in your position I would go the SMB.Not sure if there is pics but the 403kw ute pit lane did has this system and it looks and sounds great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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