Why Is There No Xr8 Turbo?

[Venom XR6]

If Ford wanted a boosted V8 then the GT500 Mustang motor would come in a crate. 402 kw in 2010 GT500 form. No need for a turbo, it would be too hard to fit, whereas the supercharger takes up no more room than the current Boss engines inlet manifold.

Ford in the US are trialling an EcoBoost twin turbo 5.0 V8 at the moment apparently. Makes over 500 hp and damn near 1000nm of torque, with economy around the same as an NA V8 due to the direct injection. Wether or not it makes production no one knows.

[Iconic Bionic]

Since were on the topic, can this acyaully be done with a V8 configuration or must it be a twin turbo for this reason.

And look at everyone at the bottom of this topic ready to post away.

I.B.

[NVT]

  Iconic Bionic said:

And look at everyone at the bottom of this topic ready to post away.

I.B.

hahahahaha, yeah I saw that too IB

[bjc]

I tried to convince my nephew to fit a rear mounted turbo (like sts- HERE )to his 289W in his XF ute, plenty of room and something him and his dad could have easily achieved.

[millers]

  Iconic Bionic said:

Since were on the topic, can this acyaully be done with a V8 configuration or must it be a twin turbo for this reason.

dont _need_ twins. you can run a single turbo on a v8, just means a lot of messing around with piping and ends up not being as efficient as twins... plus twin turbo v8 just sounds awesome

[SCRIBR]

  Azzman460 said:

The amount of engineering and money that would have to go into this would be out-bloody-rageous.

Keep in mind they couldn't even justify getting the XR6T ute tested/rated to run the "heavy" tow pack.. because they thought everybody who wanted to tow would buy an XR8

[Venom XR6]

  Iconic Bionic said:

Since were on the topic, can this acyaully be done with a V8 configuration or must it be a twin turbo for this reason.

And look at everyone at the bottom of this topic ready to post away.

I.B.

As said single turbos can work on a V8 but for packaging reasons its just easier to fit twin turbos.

The 5 litre twin turbo V8 Ecoboost engine is code named Hollywood in the US.

Edited 23/01/09 06:39 AM by Venom XR6

[PJ.]

I'd imagine the fuel economy to be horrid but who cares!

[gezza]

would be interesting to see...

when I first came to oz in nov 08 I thought you could get a factory xr8 turbo just like the xr6 turbo I felt a right pratt going round the car yards lookin for em and asking for em....

whats a little silly is ford have nicked the volvo t5 engine to put in ford focus ie xr5 turbo why couldnt they put a rs cosworth engine in it???

[Daniel]

As for the concerns being raised to why they simply would NOT put into production, I'd generally agree.

However, then I think on the flip side that because it is on a V8 it wouldn't have to be as wild as the 6cyl; it could be a low (very low in fact) boost setup; or even go the supercharger route like many different manufacturers do on their V8 option list. Think about how many cars in the US, UK, Europe you can buy a car with option of the standard V8 which they look at same tame (we think its wild in our cars haha) and then have the forced option! It is common and I wouldn't be surprised if the planet wasn't falling apart as fast as the economy right now; they'd consider it strongly here in Aus.

Having said that, these days its almost a faux pas to even suggest this sort of power plant unless it uses LESS fuel than its competitors or has some new aspect to save energy, emissions or resources.

I can recall reading through our Australian car magazines on a few occasions and scattered through the article you find quotes similar to "we have the 6cyl turbo now" or "its the v8 killer" or "why would you want a v8" and even "there is no need as our engine line up is strong as it is".

Australians, aussies, are proud and slow movers in general IMHO: many would be happy just having made the 6cyl turbo engine so well (albeit isn't new anymore) and with huge success than thinking "ok, now lets do the V8 and made it even bigger and better". More like "job done, now lets look at another aspect that could do with a kick in the pants"..

When people say the I6 turbo is tame from factory I agree 110%; it is at say level 5/10 from factory, but it can do and can take so much more (obviously, we all know this by looking in our driveways).

If I were to see Ford Aust. making a forced (as either turbo or supercharged would be great and yield similar results) V8, the driveline and chassis may not be able to take on that much more.

I do think that that if they were to get one into the market, they would need to either:

a - make the engine as strong and detuned as the 6cyl version, and have driveline reliability issues for people who modify quite aggressively.

b - make the engine good, but have it running close to optimum running conditions so that it is not too easy for people (us lol) to come along and blow things to bits unless we are willing to spend the money on the entire car (engine/driveline etc) which means certainly no warranty issues.

I feel Ford Australia have made exceptional headway for the brand, image and reputation that they have some great product and they know what they are doing even though we often think otherwise with the turbo inline 6cyl; but I would love to know the $ value that they may argue it cost them to do so in somewhat questionable warranty claims after modifications on the cars equipped with these engines which are seriously detuned from factory.

Oh and as for the guy who said fuel economy.. if they were smart about it and used direct injection, maybe even some system that sh*ts off cylinders when not needed; it need not be thirsty as we may think immediately. I believe if the craziness of the notion (V8TT) was balanced with economy and smart solutions/features to help save where it counts... it would at least solve the issue of being socially viable lol

On that note, I can tell you now if there was a twin turbo V8, I would buy one for two reasons.

First, I miss the sound of my V8 and secondly I like the delivery of power with the turbo and that whistle.. I dare not imagine the V8 sound with the turbo whistle, makes me think of doing a silly and expensive thing like selling the F6 to buy a GT and putting a kit on it.

Edited 28/03/09 07:32 AM by Daniel