Headsex Donating Members 2,528 Member For: 19y 7m Gender: Male Location: Melb Posted 11/01/09 11:33 AM Share Posted 11/01/09 11:33 AM Ok.. Clear things up abit.. If the Ford dealership is "Smart". They can work out if ANY ford, BA to FG has been tuned..Say.. I've got a BA falcon.. The initial factory catch code is A3HA..I then get my car tuned.Flash box reads A3HA out of the pcm, and stores it in the "F" position, allowing me to flash it back at any chance to fool ford dealerships...I take my car to service, Flash Factory tune back in.Ford Service my car. Ohh there's a PCM update.. They apply A3HD to my car..I pickup my car, Drive around the corner, and flash my custom tune back in.Now..... Think what just happened.. The flash box flashes the custom tune back in. It doesnt care what was in it before it overwrote the tune, it only cares if the VIN number is the same.Come next time I take my car to get a service, When I flash the tune back in, Im flashing A3HA back in... Ford plug into the car.. Oh there's a PCM update available.... "Checks records" hang on a minute, this car according to our records should already have A3HDFord's IDS software does not allow you to backward downgrade a PCM. Its designed very foolproof so any bush mechanic can operate it.Now, with BF and FG.. They got ingenious with the PCM. And embedded a "Flash Counter" which increments everytime you flash your vehicle. A usual vehicle will only be flashed upto 5 times in its life, maybe 10 times maximum if only ford were applying updates...... If you custom tuned your car, I garentee there will be AT LEAST 10 flashes to setup that one tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiKa Donating Members 4,243 Member For: 18y 6m 18d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne, VIC Posted 11/01/09 11:48 AM Share Posted 11/01/09 11:48 AM dont care what the EXPERTS say. NOTHING will ever succeed the BA mk1. Both for look and headkicking performance and ease to modify. FG - One UGLY UGLY looking motherEveryones intitled to their opinion arent they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxr64t XXR.64T Donating Members 560 Member For: 19y 9m 9d Gender: Male Location: sydney's east!!! Posted 11/01/09 12:25 PM Share Posted 11/01/09 12:25 PM Yep it is true on all BF onwards models.They can only say an ECU has been flashed without a record on the system, it does not say it has been edited.I got this froma FPV engineer who worked on finding a way to check the ECU.that's why you should always buy a BA .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom XR6 Member 1,460 Member For: 21y 10m 13d Location: Geelong Victoria Posted 12/01/09 01:57 AM Share Posted 12/01/09 01:57 AM But the're all out of warranty now so that defeats the purpose. Doesn't matter wether its stock or putting out 500rwkw, if the engine blows your on your own. Even the first of the BF's are starting to come out of warranty now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAPNEN Donating Members 278 Member For: 16y 10m 7d Gender: Male Posted 12/01/09 03:09 AM Share Posted 12/01/09 03:09 AM (edited) Ok.. Clear things up abit.. If the Ford dealership is "Smart". They can work out if ANY ford, BA to FG has been tuned..Say.. I've got a BA falcon.. The initial factory catch code is A3HA..I then get my car tuned.Flash box reads A3HA out of the pcm, and stores it in the "F" position, allowing me to flash it back at any chance to fool ford dealerships...I take my car to service, Flash Factory tune back in.Ford Service my car. Ohh there's a PCM update.. They apply A3HD to my car..I pickup my car, Drive around the corner, and flash my custom tune back in.Now..... Think what just happened.. The flash box flashes the custom tune back in. It doesnt care what was in it before it overwrote the tune, it only cares if the VIN number is the same.Come next time I take my car to get a service, When I flash the tune back in, Im flashing A3HA back in... Ford plug into the car.. Oh there's a PCM update available.... "Checks records" hang on a minute, this car according to our records should already have A3HDFord's IDS software does not allow you to backward downgrade a PCM. Its designed very foolproof so any bush mechanic can operate it.Now, with BF and FG.. They got ingenious with the PCM. And embedded a "Flash Counter" which increments everytime you flash your vehicle. A usual vehicle will only be flashed upto 5 times in its life, maybe 10 times maximum if only ford were applying updates...... If you custom tuned your car, I garentee there will be AT LEAST 10 flashes to setup that one tune.If its just a tune and nothing else (exaust, inj etc) I'm sure you could play dumb to the fact that your car had mysteriously lost its 'new' ford tune and the number of flashes, and have no probs, but you arn't going to blow your motor with a stock engine and a flash are you Edited 12/01/09 03:10 AM by SAPNEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHANTMXR6 It's not a MKI! Member 1,742 Member For: 16y 8m 20d Gender: Male Location: Earth Posted 12/01/09 06:11 AM Share Posted 12/01/09 06:11 AM but you arn't going to blow your motor with a stock engine and a flash are you Depends who did your tune and how much they leaned it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCRIBR Yaris member Member 4,486 Member For: 18y 8m 18d Gender: Male Posted 25/01/09 12:49 AM Share Posted 25/01/09 12:49 AM Everyones intitled to their opinion arent they They should advertise it like Holden... "Evolution has stopped @ the BA" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George66 Member 7 Member For: 16y 2m 9d Posted 18/02/09 01:11 PM Share Posted 18/02/09 01:11 PM Why not if you haven't flashed you ecu yet try and get your hands on a second hand ecu and go beserk. Put back the original ECU if you need to take the car back to Ford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spine Donating Members 642 Member For: 18y 10m 21d Gender: Male Location: Footscrayastan Posted 18/02/09 08:35 PM Share Posted 18/02/09 08:35 PM Why havent I thought of that before? :titwave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
our06t Mmmmm......BOOST Member 3,135 Member For: 17y 10m 11d Gender: Male Location: central coast Posted 18/02/09 08:55 PM Share Posted 18/02/09 08:55 PM for a start the car would look like it had done x amount of km's while the ecu would tell them the car has sat in the shed and done nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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