Scrotus Member 156 Member For: 16y 10m 11d Gender: Male Location: Adelaide Posted 18/12/08 12:54 PM Share Posted 18/12/08 12:54 PM Ok I cant work this out - neither can the mechanic it seems. I have a 02 astra (Complete Lemon). My wife took it to the shops yesterday (1.5km drive) about 5m from the shops the water pump starting pissing out water everywhere, then at the same time the car stops and wont start... Towed it to the mechanic he had a look at the timing belt and its damaged (slipped teeth on the pullies), the timing is out and possible bent valves (2,500k worst case). Find out tomorrow the extent of damage after he pulls head off....What I dont understant is how car a blown water pump can effect the timing??? The water pump is ran off the drive belt and the timing belt is in a seperate area. The mechanic seems to think its 2 seperate issues. But clearly the car stopped as the pump broke and therefor somehow made the timing belt slip - but how? ! Also have no compression in cyc 1, other cyc not tested as yet.Anyone know whats going on with this heap of crap, and anyone want to buy a 02 astra in about a weeks time? Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/52663-holden-astra-nightmare/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconic Bionic My engine bay is Bionic Donating Members 3,726 Member For: 19y 3m 4d Gender: Male Location: Freeways Posted 18/12/08 01:36 PM Share Posted 18/12/08 01:36 PM I had the same model Astra as yours for 6 years. Mine was a 2000 model but still same as yours. Most reliable car I have ever owned and only wish the T had the same level of reliability. Dont bag it out cause it wears a Expensive Daewoo badge, its an Opel and any Opel is far superior to any Expensive Daewoo or Ford.The timing belts on the Astra as per the book, state 120,000k change, however they cannot last this long and Expensive Daewoo was made aware of this by the NRMA. The belts are no different to that of most other small cars that need to have them changed at the 100,000K mark. Mine I did at 80,000k because of the high risk of damage that can be caused to the engine if they break, which is what has happened in your Astra.Even if the car is at idle, the engine is still turning over at 800 or so rpm so when the belt breaks damage is done. More if the engine is under much higher load.I agree with your mechanic that the water pump and timing belt are two different issues. How many K's on your Astra?I.B. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/52663-holden-astra-nightmare/#findComment-788730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
smicky Go Pies!!! Donating Members 2,852 Member For: 17y 4m 7d Gender: Male Location: Vic Somewhere - Sometimes NSW Posted 18/12/08 02:22 PM Share Posted 18/12/08 02:22 PM Im with IB on this... and the mech...I would guess its 2 different issues as well...However having said that, I had a 96 HJ Mits Galant V6 - awesome little ride with some work done...Was giving it a bit down the highway one night (around 120) but pushing it with flat shifting as I got there... Anyways hear a big bang, and what felt like something giving way... pulled over to check and well the ac belt gave way, hit the timing belt over and the cover shattered everywhere and then the timing belt went as well...From that we found other problems, which we believe were from the belt as well...Anyways got it all fixed up, but silly pricks in the service dept didnt replace the oil dip sick, after a trip to sydney I thought I would check the oil, only to end up crying, not only did they leave out the dip stick, but they didnt put oil back in! 600kms on a highway and no oil... cant believe the car made it!!!Put oil in, drove it back to the border a few days later after giving the service manager a serve... they got the car opened it up and said it was about 5 mins away from sh*tting itself... 2 week rebuild, pistons, rings etc and a few thousand they paid!Go figure! Ford service playing on a different brand of car... not a good thing!there used car service guys did the rebuild with another mech center and all good after... silly country boys... didnt even know how to pull apart the quad cam, the mates at mits center called to say ford boys had called 15 times in one day to work stuff out!!! Anyways - what im trying to say is one thing can always lead to another and another and another... Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/52663-holden-astra-nightmare/#findComment-788736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRSCAR Member 414 Member For: 17y 4m 14d Gender: Male Location: FTG, Victoria Posted 18/12/08 02:27 PM Share Posted 18/12/08 02:27 PM when should our xr6t's have our belts changed?just wondering since im @ the 140,000 mark? Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/52663-holden-astra-nightmare/#findComment-788737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
smicky Go Pies!!! Donating Members 2,852 Member For: 17y 4m 7d Gender: Male Location: Vic Somewhere - Sometimes NSW Posted 18/12/08 02:34 PM Share Posted 18/12/08 02:34 PM check in the service log book, but I 'think' its 100k??? if not maybe 150k??? Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/52663-holden-astra-nightmare/#findComment-788739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconic Bionic My engine bay is Bionic Donating Members 3,726 Member For: 19y 3m 4d Gender: Male Location: Freeways Posted 18/12/08 03:10 PM Share Posted 18/12/08 03:10 PM smicky said: check in the service log book, but I 'think' its 100k??? if not maybe 150k???Ours have chain driven belts. I didnt think they got changed. The Astra and smaller sized cars get a rubber and copper lined belt that wears far greater then a chain linked belt.I also had this happen on my Galant and it stuffed the engine. I.B. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/52663-holden-astra-nightmare/#findComment-788753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
smicky Go Pies!!! Donating Members 2,852 Member For: 17y 4m 7d Gender: Male Location: Vic Somewhere - Sometimes NSW Posted 18/12/08 03:15 PM Share Posted 18/12/08 03:15 PM (edited) Iconic Bionic said: Ours have chain driven belts. I didnt think they got changed. The Astra and smaller sized cars get a rubber and copper lined belt that wears far greater then a chain linked belt.I also had this happen on my Galant and it stuffed the engine. I.B.Mate, not sure what belt he was referring to... timing chain, or a/c belt etc...I think the chains are meant to be changed as well, just not sure when but...??? Well the tension'er anyways...Dam Galants - they were a great car when they were running - but so ex to repair...took 2 weeks ex japan for replacement leads and I think it was like 1500$ for a set of 6 genuine...Timing belt cover 2 weeks ex japan - 2500$even the a/c center vent surround 150$ 2 weeks ex japan...Just glad I didnt have to pay for any of it!Was NUTS!!!But want a smooth v6, and dam quick for a 2lt NA engine for a car that was that big! Edited 18/12/08 03:25 PM by smicky Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/52663-holden-astra-nightmare/#findComment-788757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrotus Member 156 Member For: 16y 10m 11d Gender: Male Location: Adelaide Posted 18/12/08 03:20 PM Author Share Posted 18/12/08 03:20 PM (edited) 600km and no oil that's impressive! Im not bagging out Expensive Daewoo or opel - im bagging out this ASTRA - Junk or extreme badluck... Had it 10 months and since then Ive had two elec windows, air compressor ($1350), window washer pump and now this. The timing belt was done 12,000km ago when we brought the car. The car now has 125,000km. The timing belt has wear because its slipped on the teeth - though why did it slip? I cant see how the two problems are related but I cant see how they are not since the excat monent the water pump gave way the car conked out. The T's have timing chains and are not serviced or lifed. Edited 18/12/08 03:23 PM by Scrotus Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/52663-holden-astra-nightmare/#findComment-788758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevet Member 85 Member For: 17y 2m 12d Posted 18/12/08 08:51 PM Share Posted 18/12/08 08:51 PM I worked in car sales not long ago for Ford and Mazda and we found any astra's or vectra's regardless of their badging to be very mediocre. Electrics seemed to be the weak link for them with crank-angle sensors and airbag warning lights seeming to be a problem on many cars. belts need to be changed every 60K on these cars. I think up to around the 100K mark these cars are pretty reliable, but after that they can be no end of trouble. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/52663-holden-astra-nightmare/#findComment-788782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrotus Member 156 Member For: 16y 10m 11d Gender: Male Location: Adelaide Posted 18/12/08 11:24 PM Author Share Posted 18/12/08 11:24 PM Ok the water pump and the timing chain are connected. The timing chain runs off the water pump pully also. Great design there. So now the water pump pully is bent, therefor causing the timing belt to skip and f*ck the engine. Oh and to add to this nightmare the crankshaft bolt is chewed out thanks to a Expensive Daewoo dealership who last worked on it. Just gets better! As for elec problems yep I have a emission control light that comes up all the time, its a glitch. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/52663-holden-astra-nightmare/#findComment-788827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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