Is It Just Me, Or Does Krudd...

[XRSCAR]

Im young and I voted for johnny, always disliked krud. Don't fix what isn't broken I say!

[sixfan]

Standover tactics

Forcing people to join a union when they don't want to

back room deals between union bosses and dodgey employers

disenfranchising employees and encouraging them to view the "boss" as the enemy

mistrust engendered in the workforce

I was forced to join the Uni student union (had to to go to uni)

I paid $70 a semester so funkwits like simon b@stard corbell could kick start his

political career off money that could have been better spent on Books, fuel, beer ect.

he didn't give a rats fatz about the uni, the services or anything but his own p1ssant career in the

labor party. Funk 'em all. funk labor and funk funking unions.

if unions are so great then let people decide for themselves if they want to join

or if they want collective barganing, cause I'll tell you right now,

the only people collective barganing benefits are those to lazy / dumb to

earn a decent days pay for a decent days work. They have to ride off others

AKA compusary membership.

Yes, Corbell and I went through the same Uni, only I did a science degree.

Wish I'd snotted the little shirt-lifter when I had the chance.

there's more, but I'm going home now.

[smicky]

LOL! ROFLMAO

[tab]

tmac vs. sixfan

Not sure who would get my vote for PM. Well said on all counts

Knowing that it's all FUBARed now I just have to find the humour in the freaks. Rudd licks his lips every time he tells a lie, Swan has nothing of real substance and just diverts attention to the opposition, and Tanner looks like one of the friggin dogs that you sit on the parcel shelf that bob their head as you drive along. Watch him next time he's on the idiot box...absolute pisser.

[harvyk]

At this point in time all the scare tactics or warnings issued to us by the liberal faithful have yet to affect me. At this stage I have seen my interest rates go down, fuel prices go down, a roof still over my head and food on the table. Now Rudd have nothing to do with Interest Rates, but it’s interesting that the liberal party where more than happy to link the low interest rates in 2004 with the Howard government. The liberals are expecting Rudd to fix everything. In-fact they had declared Rudd a failure within 6 weeks of him assuming office because he hadn’t yet fixed everything. BTW, calling him the L plater gov’t doesn’t cut it, Howard wore those L plates for the first couple of years he was in office as well, infactg every government in the world has had to where L plates for a period of time.

I would like to see a valid list of reasons from the liberal voters here on why Rudd has failed, what bad things he has done which personally affects you (don't put down "well I MIGHT need to do this or that" I want real and actual things which now affect you).

I’d also like to ask, why is it that only liberal voters feel that their vote is worth more because they are more highly educated? I’ve seen posts saying that “anyone who votes labor is to stupid to vote and thus shouldn’t be allowed to.” Why is it that the same thing is not said about liberal voters by the labor supporters? Canberra is often considered to be the amongst the highest educated place in the country. (Given the majority of work here is office work rather than manual work we kinda have to be) and yet it is considered a safe labor seat. One question for you liberals is why is Canberra both highly educated and yet a safe labor seat?

/Rant

[Venom XR6]

Yet the opinion polls show he is more popular than ever, so maybe he's not as dumb as some people seem to think. Sure, he hasn't done what he said he would, but since when have politicians done that? They are all full of sh*t.

[smicky]

  harvyk said:

BTW, calling him the L plater gov’t doesn’t cut it, Howard wore those L plates for the first couple of years he was in office as well, infactg every government in the world has had to where L plates for a period of time.

I’d also like to ask, why is it that only liberal voters feel that their vote is worth more because they are more highly educated? I’ve seen posts saying that “anyone who votes labor is to stupid to vote and thus shouldn’t be allowed to.” Why is it that the same thing is not said about liberal voters by the labor supporters? Canberra is often considered to be the amongst the highest educated place in the country. (Given the majority of work here is office work rather than manual work we kinda have to be) and yet it is considered a safe labor seat. One question for you liberals is why is Canberra both highly educated and yet a safe labor seat?

/Rant

I have to admit I have also noticed the 'comments' regarding general public who vote for the Labor Party and levels of IQ. This may in fact be somewhat incorrect, which IMO is therefore not valid. However it is otherwise traditionally a wider belief that in some cases, lower demography areas typically have a higher voting rate towards the Labor Party. By no means a bad thing, however some members of the population may make comments that are somewhat otherwise a little unfair!

As for the L plate comment, John Howard was actually a member of the Lib party since the mid/late 50's, he had also been the president of the Young Lib Party for a number of years, Treasure for the Lib Party in the late 70's through to the early 80's, and before becoming the Lib Party Leader as PM he had actually been the Leader of the Lib's in the mid/late 80's, before he returned again as leader in the 90's....

By no means was Johnny a L plater - and in fact this was/is (above) the first time I have ever heard of Johnny being referred to as an L plater... when the Libs came to power... He would be one of the most experienced members of any government in the world let alone that of Australia.

Regardless if Johnny was a Lib or other party member - he "John Howard" is and would have to be one of the most politically minded, involved, and embedded as a true great in Australia's political history!

K Rudd is referred to as a L plater IMO with good reason.

First popped up in the public eye in the late 80's from memory, however not a federal level, rather a state level - as a campaign manager or head of staff or something to that effect for NT or QLD I believe it was.

He had earlier been involved in Foreign affairs in the Mid 80's however cant remember exactly as he was (surprise surprise OVER SEAS!!!)

Rudd never made it into Federal Parliament until 98 or 99 I believe it was, but never really made it to a 'serious front bench role' until just a few years ago...

As for being the front man of the Labor Party this never happened until just before the now change in Australian current party was elected last each... He had roughly 12 months as the leader before being elected, and has now had 12 months since being elected...

IMO the Labor party should have kept BIG KIM... He had a far better backing and experience in government then that of the KRUDD the L plater!

Again - regardless of John Howard being a Lib or other he is by hard one of the greatest ever contributors to this country and good or bad - Thank you for giving up most of your life to such a country!

Edited 17/11/08 12:09 PM by smicky

[sixfan]

  harvyk said:

I’d also like to ask, why is it that only liberal voters feel that their vote is worth more because they are more highly educated? I’ve seen posts saying that “anyone who votes labor is to stupid to vote and thus shouldn’t be allowed to.” Why is it that the same thing is not said about liberal voters by the labor supporters? Canberra is often considered to be the amongst the highest educated place in the country. (Given the majority of work here is office work rather than manual work we kinda have to be) and yet it is considered a safe labor seat. One question for you liberals is why is Canberra both highly educated and yet a safe labor seat?

/Rant

Umm... Cause Canberra is full of public servants who think they're intellectuals taking the high moral ground....

(Oh and traditionally, the pubes have done better under a labor government.)

from an ex Canberra resident.

P.S, The majority voted for labor, so that's who we got. I don't abide by stupidity argument, if the majority is stupid then they elect the leader to best represent them. that's a democracy.

[jimmy1234]

  harvyk said:

BTW, calling him the L plater gov’t doesn’t cut it, Howard wore those L plates for the first couple of years he was in office as well, infactg every government in the world has had to where L plates for a period of time.

I’d also like to ask, why is it that only liberal voters feel that their vote is worth more because they are more highly educated?

/Rant

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I think you need to have a good look at Howard's history before you assume he was an 'L' plater when he first got in the top job. Howard did some hard yards, he also surrounded himself with better people than Rudd has. Rudd is ego driven you debate could have would have all day but the fact is Howard will go down in history as one of our great PM's, Rudd, well time will tell but it does not look promising.

Liberal votes feel as their vote is worth more because the majority would would vote even if it was not compulsory. Unlike Labours vote for the dole scheme.

[tmac450]

  sixfan said:

Standover tactics

Forcing people to join a union when they don't want to

back room deals between union bosses and dodgey employers

disenfranchising employees and encouraging them to view the "boss" as the enemy

mistrust engendered in the workforce

I was forced to join the Uni student union (had to to go to uni)

I paid $70 a semester so funkwits like simon b@stard corbell could kick start his

political career off money that could have been better spent on Books, fuel, beer ect.

he didn't give a rats fatz about the uni, the services or anything but his own p1ssant career in the

labor party. Funk 'em all. funk labor and funk funking unions.

if unions are so great then let people decide for themselves if they want to join

or if they want collective barganing, cause I'll tell you right now,

the only people collective barganing benefits are those to lazy / dumb to

earn a decent days pay for a decent days work. They have to ride off others

AKA compusary membership.

Yes, Corbell and I went through the same Uni, only I did a science degree.

Wish I'd snotted the little shirt-lifter when I had the chance.

there's more, but I'm going home now.

Adding to that:

The modern Union movement is built around lies. Those in charge have absoloutly no regard for workers, instead they do what they can to promote the Union and make millions for themselves. The Unions leaders are generally failed/lazy workers who, instead of getting on with an honest days work, earning themselves more money, etc, they whined, campaigned, striked and blackmailed their way to higher earnings.

No one begrudges a worker for seeking the best pay and conditions, but the standover tactics and lies adopted by the Unions is simply not acceptable. You only have to look as far back as the lies spread about Work Choices to see that. Instead of actually supporting their members, Unions actually went into organisations like Qantas, told them that they could move staff from Qantas to Jet Star and pay them less. The Union then told their members that that's what Qantas is going to do, yet the Union offered no support to the workers to stop it. The move was illegal before and after Work Choices, yet the Unions used the Qantas employees as pawns for their own political gain. This situation was quite common during the whole Work Choices ordeal.

I personally know two Union representatives who genuinly do their bit to help workers, but even they say the Union movement as a whole is currupted, and not genuinly interested in helping workers.

If you are a Union or Labor supporter, ask yourself, do you support Communism? If the answer is no, then you'd better rethink your position.

Also, why is it that Union supporters always want those opposed to explain why, yet I never hear from them why they think the Union is so good?

  harvyk said:

At this point in time all the scare tactics or warnings issued to us by the liberal faithful have yet to affect me. At this stage I have seen my interest rates go down, fuel prices go down, a roof still over my head and food on the table. Now Rudd have nothing to do with Interest Rates, but it’s interesting that the liberal party where more than happy to link the low interest rates in 2004 with the Howard government. The liberals are expecting Rudd to fix everything. In-fact they had declared Rudd a failure within 6 weeks of him assuming office because he hadn’t yet fixed everything. BTW, calling him the L plater gov’t doesn’t cut it, Howard wore those L plates for the first couple of years he was in office as well, infactg every government in the world has had to where L plates for a period of time.

I would like to see a valid list of reasons from the liberal voters here on why Rudd has failed, what bad things he has done which personally affects you (don't put down "well I MIGHT need to do this or that" I want real and actual things which now affect you).

I’d also like to ask, why is it that only liberal voters feel that their vote is worth more because they are more highly educated? I’ve seen posts saying that “anyone who votes labor is to stupid to vote and thus shouldn’t be allowed to.” Why is it that the same thing is not said about liberal voters by the labor supporters? Canberra is often considered to be the amongst the highest educated place in the country. (Given the majority of work here is office work rather than manual work we kinda have to be) and yet it is considered a safe labor seat. One question for you liberals is why is Canberra both highly educated and yet a safe labor seat?

/Rant

You'd better go back and re-read some of the posts, especially the one about low interest rates, etc. When the rates were low for Howard, it was hardly the same situation we are in now. Low mortguage presently saves you nothing. Your $150 a month saved would be more than used up in higher fuel (over an above what we should be actually paying), higher groceries and higher taxes. YOU ARE NOT AHEAD!

There have been plenty of examples of what HAS HAPPENED, not what will hapen due to Rudd's poor actions. The bank gaurantee, throwing billions at a car industry that is beyond local control, increased taxes, fuel watch, leaking a sensitive telephone conversation with George W to the media for egotistical gain, etc.

Your selfish attitude of I'm OK is exactly what Labor traditionally preys on, and exactly why Rudd is such a showboater. Governance of a country should be about the greater good, otherwise, in the long term no one will be better off.

Education and intelligance has very little to do with ignorance!

  Venom XR6 said:

Yet the opinion polls show he is more popular than ever, so maybe he's not as dumb as some people seem to think. Sure, he hasn't done what he said he would, but since when have politicians done that? They are all full of sh*t.

The whole point of this topic is to discuss how this can be the case. As we've established, Rudd and co. have done very little other than make bold statements and a few meaningless changes, etc. He makes disasterous changes, tells everyone how great he is and you all eat it up and tell him how great he is!