Bali Bombers Executed....

[neo]

that's my issue. Australians are celebrating the death penalty in this case but what happens when it comes to members of the Bali 9 or Schapelle getting 20 years. Aussies are happy with Indo's laws when it suits....

I for one reckon the death penalty is great if the person is 110% guilty. Australian laws are far too soft I think. People get away with all sorts of stuff so they just keep on doing it.

Take a look at that guy in Perth last year who raped and brutally killed that young girl in the toilets and a SOR shopping centre. Our taxes go to looking after scum like this. Bugger that. Strap some raw chickens to his body and feed him to hungry saltwater crocs or something. Brutal but still nowhere near the damage that he's caused in that area

3 down, 1000's more to go.

im happy for the bali 9 to go that way. when you go to a country you obay there laws if your stupid enough to traffic drugs into bail and death is the penalty then so be it.

this mite sound harsh but id like to see public flogging for thief's and the like . not for someone that steals food because there hungry but for people the do break and enters to beat there wifes ect.

the worlds gone soft IMO we need some kind of justice system that protects the victims not the people who commit the crimes. if there was public floggings I believe after a while people would be scared of committing a crime. and it being public means you can see clearly why you should not commit a crime. no one wants to be on stage and no one wants a flogging.

as for the death penalty for murders why not if you are found guilty beyond a doubt if you do the crime you pay the punishment. if you plan to kill someone I am pretty shore you are aware if you get cought you will go yo jail if you know that you will die if you kill them then your less likely to commit.

[nang3]

No they want do it again, but instead are now Maryters to be revered and looked up upon, there will be plenty to take their place. So in this respect the death penalty has failed.

If we want a populace to act like civilised human beings, then the countries laws and religions must be civilised. There is very little we can do as far as religion is concerned, people have been killed in the name of religion for centories and this is not going to stop anytime soon. However we do you have influence over our laws, no the last person executed legally in Australia was found to be innocent some 27 years later. Now in my mind a civilised country killing an innocent person is the most unexcusable thing that can ever occur, and humans make errors, not to mention power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. ZKilling someone legally is power, and a power that some people definatley seek.

Going back to religion and killing, I have been councilled by person of the cloth about killing and how my country accepts that this in my role of a soldier in a conflict area. NowI am not a religious man, nor do I believe I would have any hesitation in killing if it was justified. My point here, is religion is a tool that can greatly influence the minds of men and woman alike, religion is what prompted these men to kill in the first place. Religion is an age old tool and will take centuries to correct, but the ,law is our sphere of influence as citizens, and we must be very careful what we ask for.

Sly I can see where you are comming from, but ask yourself, yes these guys are dead, yes they will not kill again, yes indonesian society does not habve the burden of paying thier way through jail, but did killing actually solve anything?

Scotty

good post mate!

that's the biggest hurdle we as a civilised race have to contend with in the terrorist scum - they are not afraid of dying and are idiotic enough to believe they are doing Allah's work by murdering innocent westerners. The basic fundamentals of religion and murdering people should be mutually exclusive by all accounts, but instead these animals have twisted their interpretation of it into it being OK to kill others.

They need to be educated, to be introduced to science and be shown that there is no physical proof that God/Allah exists and religion is basically a leap of faith to make inner peace with yourself not used as a thinly veiled excuse to spill blood and try and be a hero..

How can we as rational human being contend with their lack of any empathy towards fellow man - I mean how the f*ck can you cut off another mans head in front of a camera and claim it as a religious act?? these are the acts of uneducated lower life forms who should be eradicated at all costs, but its almost impossible to distinguish these from the peaceful human muslims... We cant start cutting their heads off as it will be stepping back a few hundred years of civilisation plus provoke them into even more attacks, I mean what do we do? I reckon we will still see revenge attacks for the bali bombers execution, even though it was a 100% legal act imposed on guilty terrorist murderers by their own government but the other brainwashed followers wont see that justice has been served, they will just want more blood.

The worst thing is, I think Australia will be next for an attack and I just hope they are caught - they will not have it easy inside an aussie jail that's for sure.

Personally I dont think the death penalty is ever a good idea, mainly due to the lack of a 100% accurate legal system as there will always be doubts. Imagine if a family member or friend was wrongfully sentenced to death for something they didnt do.. its bad enough to be incarcerated wrongfully, but theres no release and compo from the death penalty.

yeah but you don't want the "normal" prisoners in too much pain that they have to stop!!!

ROFL

[harvyk]

I doubt they truly believed their own propaganda. If they truly believed they where doing gods work, and that they would receive 70 virgins when they arrived in heaven then why did they fight the death penalty at all? It's not considered suicide if someone else does it, so under their own religious views god would have given them everything they could ever want.

My belief is that they did not really believe in Islam as much as they claimed they did. For them it was the perfect excuse to further their own hatreds against “western cultures” which is kind of strange considering at least in that part of the world western culture have basically taken a live and let live approach (well lets face it, there’s some oil, but not a lot, and it’s not a strategic place to hold).

As to my own opinion of them, I didn’t lose a single second of sleep over their executions. They are truly evil men who I am hoping are right now rotting in hell. Furthermore they are in no way a representation of modern Islam.

As for the Bali 9 et all, I have no opinions about their pending executions either. If you ever visit the smart traveler website under the local laws section it specifically says “When you are in (insert name of country here), be aware that local laws and penalties, including ones that appear harsh by Australian standards, do apply to you. If you are arrested or jailed, the Australian Government will do what it can to help you but we can't get you out of trouble or out of jail.” They broke the laws of another country, they knew the penalty is death (how could you not know, it’s not like a big secret, especially as the Corby case was been so heavily publicized at the time) and yet they chose to take that risk.

[Slymeat]

I take into account what you have said KS, and I realise that we all do not agree with the death penalty. They were treated too kindly in some regard they should have been informed that they would receive an autopsy afterwards,and there bodies would not be returned to the family but instead dumped at a close by tip to picked at by the gulls (Instead of being ritually cleaned) . We have no hesitation killing any other animals like sheep cops and cows why should we care about killing these animals. Although this is my opinion only.

[Kimberley Scott]

The problem with your choosen proffesion is that you see our legal system almost on a daily basis and that must be a very frustrating experience. Where I have the luxery of viewing from afar and the luxery of being idealistic.

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion and in the words of my Grandfather, "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight and die if neccesary for you to have the freedom to express your view". A view told to when I was 14 and as I grow older and older, a view that I greatly admire and try and live by.

Scotty

[Slymeat]

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion and in the words of my Grandfather, "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight and die if neccesary for you to have the freedom to express your view". A view told to when I was 14 and as I grow older and older, a view that I greatly admire and try and live by.

Scotty

Well said.

[kona86]

wise words kimbo

[sixfan]

I must say that the Bali bombings did quite upset me, they blew up a mob of people out for a good time on the cheap.

the victims were in the majority, a mob of young kids not interested in harming islam or anyone else.

However I have never nor will I ever support the death penalty, no matter how heanous the crime,

It's state sanctioned murder and as part of a society that condones it, it puts blood on all our hands.

life imprisonment is just as certain a way to remove these defectives from our society as the death penalty.

As far as I see it, the prison system has two functions:

1:Rehabilitation

2: Ensuring those likely to recommit cannot.

revenge is not ever a valid reason to imprison someone and certainly the sign of a very sick society if it's used as a rational for execution.

look at the tailban, shooting women in the back of the head as revenge for them having the audacity to:

A) Drive a car

B) not wear a headscarf

c) Getting an education

No, I'm not happy that they've been shot and no, I don't think killing a mob of dumbass drug-mules is going to make the world a better place either.

[tmac450]

If you look at the legal and prison system, you'd see that rehabilitation is a pipe dream.

Using the Taliban (essentially the samw group as the Bali bombers) as an example of the death penalty is hardly drawing a parrallel. The are murderers, nothing more.

Like has been said, everyone is entitles to their opinion, but I'm sure 90% of the anti-death penalty supporters would change their position if their family was affected by some mindless act of violence.

I firmly beleive that cowardly scum like the Bali Bombers have clearly demonstrated that they no longer deserve the privledge of life.

[sixfan]

If you look at the legal and prison system, you'd see that rehabilitation is a pipe dream.

Using the Taliban (essentially the samw group as the Bali bombers) as an example of the death penalty is hardly drawing a parrallel. The are murderers, nothing more.

Like has been said, everyone is entitles to their opinion, but I'm sure 90% of the anti-death penalty supporters would change their position if their family was affected by some mindless act of violence.

I firmly beleive that cowardly scum like the Bali Bombers have clearly demonstrated that they no longer deserve the privledge of life.

yes rehabilitation is a pipe dream, but it's a worthy one, what alternative do you suggest we kill ALL law breakers as rehabilitation is just a pipe dream?

No, its an accurate comparison, both executions were state sanctioned, the Taliban were the state in Afganistan it's irrelevant wether we approved of them or not.

yes that's correct, it it were my family I'd want to take matters into my own hands, but that's revenge, understandable in an individual but detestable in a rabble.

We are humans, capable of rational thought and not simply acting on what feels good at the time. The Bali bombers commited a detestible act, killing them only lowers us to thier level.