What Are The Rules In Relation To

[seventytwo]

So far this has been a civil discussion on traffic law, keep it that way and it will stay open.

[tig]

Wondering a similar thing myself. Have followed a number of highway patrol cars on Sydneys M7 and sat reasonably close behind them at over the posted speed (which is 100) He was doing about 120 and was curious to see if they could book you for following a patrol car which was obviously not in pursuit of anyone and no sirens on . It would be interesting in court when the judge asked the copper how does he know the other car was speeding. He would have to admit he was breaking the law also. Not trying to be smart here, just a scenario which would be interesting to find out what the legal outcome would be.

[tab]

From memory Jetute got pinged under similar circumstances a while back...so I'd say no, two wrongs don't make a right unfortunately

[Trough Lolly]

a few years ago I was travelling to my old home town.. 3 hours drive away and the limit was 110.

about an hour in a highway patrol SS comes screaming up behind me and SITS ON MY ASS for no joke 30 minutes... I set the cruise on 105 and continued to hawk eye my rear view mirror...

he FINALLY over-took me and then began to travel at 125 leaving me behind, so I thought f*ck u mate, what u done was dangerous because that road is known for bad kangaroos and goats so I sat up his ass doing over 120 for 5 mins till he sunk the boot in even more so I backed off back to 110 and continued on my way.

"DO AS I SAY.... NOT AS I DO"

[seventytwo]

  Iconic Bionic said:

Completely untrue but it is easy to understand why the general community believe this. Im not going to touch the original post, other then to dispel some of the myths and ravings that is bound to follow.

A police officers word at court is most likely to be supported by other factors. There experiece at court and giving evidence, there expertise in a specific field, a clear understanding of the law they have enforced and the supportive technolgies they have used to charge or ticket the offender. Most defendants will not have any of these skills or knowledge base unless they are in a similar occupation or a legal practitioner of some kind. So it is not that police officers are believed more then the defendant, just that they are able to present to a court a far superior version.

Even with traffic matters, those that assert must still prove there case against you and they become very good at it.

PM sent.

I.B.

So by your post, unless you take a gun traffic lawyer with you so you can even the odds, you will get screwed by the courts guilty or not.

[exarsixturbo]

From what I understand this is the sole reason that police cars have a speedo where the gauge is in smaller increments that a normal car. They also get the speedo calibrated in each car, every three months, so it is always accurate and will stand up in court.

I believe that if they follow you for a certain amount of time and you are exceeding the limit for that period of time (according to their speedo) they can book you.

That was my understanding anyway. Might be complete BS!!

[dule]

Well if they do follow you for a while then I guess it's reasonable even though it's their word against yours, just like running a red/yellow light they don't need proof. But as has been said before it's very easy to abuse the law in this case.

And yes Trough Lolly there are a lot of double standards happening. If I see a speeding cop car without sirens I normally follow (just for fun), since it's obviously not an emergency (sorry officer my speedo wasn't working, I just thought I'd follow you since you surely wouldn't be breaking the law).

[Iconic Bionic]

  dule said:

And yes Trough Lolly there are a lot of double standards happening. If I see a speeding cop car without sirens I normally follow (just for fun), since it's obviously not an emergency (sorry officer my speedo wasn't working, I just thought I'd follow you since you surely wouldn't be breaking the law).

Big call with some fire playing. No lights and no siren, with a bit of speed automtaically equals no emergency? If your car is getting broken into would that be an emergency? Maybe only to yourself but not the rest of the world. How about your house while your home? Probably getting a lil bit more serious now.

My argument here is, we all have no idea why they are speeding. They do work off a privaledged radio network and could very easily responding or making themselves available for a very wide variety of situations, so why tailgate them and then bag them out for it.

I.B.

[Iconic Bionic]

  seventytwo said:

So by your post, unless you take a gun traffic lawyer with you so you can even the odds, you will get screwed by the courts guilty or not.

Too often defendants are wasting there time on the sole principle of FRUSTRATION. Ones inability to be able to get over it! As already has been posted, "there speeding and so can I". So when detected the frustartion once again takes control of ones basic common sense. Or we have the "All the cars on this road are speeding, why dont you go get them"? Again frustration that you got done and not the bloke next to you.

A wonderful example of driving prowess in Sydney, are our Taxi drivers, who take everything to court, because its there livelyhood and there always real low on points so they have crack, so to speak. They are this countries biggest embarressment in how they present and talk and bumble there way through the Engrish language. Aside from being blatantly guilty of serious traffic offences involving pedestrian and passenger safety they still present and LIE in order to get off. Apart from this grose abuse of the justice system it takes police off the road for entire day and would be costing several thousand each and every time, which we all pay for in taxes.

Now if we think about these things more rationally, and stop blaming on the bloke that didnt like you, ones ethnicity or the colour of the shirt you were wearing at the time, then go home and think about it and see if you really want to waste everyones time by fighting these matters at court.

If you get to this point where you really believe you did not what is stated, then after some reflection and alcohol ask to see the footage at a later date as this is becomming more common and people are very surprised how good the footage is and what they actually done is true.

But if it has to goto court, even for a simple traffic matter such as a low speed offence, it will be at least $2,000 to about $4000 for a solictor. And if your in NSW and ever need one, then PM me and I'll put you on to this States best!

Or you can represent yourself and look silly.

Ok, now the critics?

I.B.

Edited 30/10/08 11:52 PM by Iconic Bionic

[Dagabond]

....Wonder how many times has this exact same thread, replies and outcome we've had over the years.