Labor Or Liberal?

[fordboy1981]

this is something normally not discussed!

but judging by this poll, how the hell did the Libs loose!

[Ivan]

but judging by this poll, how the hell did the Libs loose!

• Iraq
  
• Tampa + Children overboard scandal
  
• Lack of environmental policy
  
• Lack of any plan to improve conditions for the indigenous
  
• Rate rises due to poor economic management
  
• Detention centre's
  
• Continously lying to the public and Fear mongering.
  
• Workchoices
  

There's a lot more, but that's all I could think of, off the top of my head.

I didn't vote for the man, or the party, I voted for the policies. It seems like a lot of people are happy to form stereotypes without ever going any further than the news headlines.

Edited 23/09/08 01:08 PM by Ivan

[smicky]

Iraq - Ok we had a choice, but maybe just maybe it wasn't such a bad thing. (and no im not a supporter of war, however being of middle eastern heritage and seeing what the f*ck has happened to far to many exotic countries someone needs to try and fix things up).

Tampa & Children - Well there is a lot more to this one.

Lack of enviro policy - It was always something Howard said he wouldn't sign at this stage. for many reasons.

Lack of Improvement for Indi's - If I'm not corrected (which I may be here), I was lead to believe they had done a lot and where in fact looking at more to come.

Rate rises - State and local gov. funny they are Labour! Just look at where NSW and Vic bank accounts are heading... Down the sh*tter... fast!

Poor Econ Management - What the??? We were far better off then the way things were left by the last Labour gov. let me think... no longer in debt, massive surplus, lower taxes... Please explain?

Detention Centers - other then sending them back, what else could we do? Ok it wasn't the nicest situation, but its that or they are sent back to the not so healthy places they came from to work it out for them selves...

Lying - ok... what polly actually does 100% of every single thing they say they will or wont do... Things change situations change, as information come to hand... again, this is a excuse every single person says about every single opposition party no matter what or who they are...

Workchoices - Well this was an attempt to better the lives of all workers, and companies, however as it was not to support the unions it gets thrown out of context. Yes people dont like change, and in many cases change takes time to balance out however well, back we go...

Just my two cents (short simple basic version)... as they say never talk about politics, religion etc... so I'm out of this one from here on!

[xr6t ego]

How many interest rate increases did we have in a row for the last 2 years under the guidance of the gnome?

Which direction are the interest rates heading now?

Now all of you liberal stop your and get on with it.

AUSTRALIA voted and Rudd won.

And to all of you union basher's... I hope that none of you have ever used an award as a starting point in your own negotiations, claimed sick leave, accepted holiday loading, enjoyed watching a company pay money into your super funds, claimed parental leave, bereavement leave, shift, weekend or public holiday loadings, enjoyed the 4 weeks holiday etc etc etc

Because guess what???? Many women and men have fought for these conditions which we accept as a bench mark in most, not all, workplaces. Unions won these conditions not individuals.

Just because somebody is a member of a union, it doesn't mean they are brainwashed. That's like saying that you only voted for the liberals because your mummy and daddies voted for them and that's all you know.

Now shhhhhh

[hypnodoc]

Interest rates are only going down because there is a credit squeeze coming and the global economy is going, if not already gone, down the toilet. The hyper inflation the so called bail outs will bring will pale any interest rate into insignificance. Doesn't really matter who got voted in the mess is going to keep spreading. Globally the pollies and the economic genius's have created an economy worth 70 trillion and debt worth 700 trillion, you do the maths and its all a moot point really.

[xr6turbo2005]

And here is our problem. People like yourself have been brainwashed into being incapable of indipendant thought!

Where the hell did you pluck the sh*t you just sprouted from?

I really do feel sorry for you if you beleive the crap you typed. Without business, there are no workers!! As for Unions, I am capable of sticking up for myself thank you very much. I don't need some slimy communist lining his own pockets under the false pretence he's helping me.

you know what tmac, I could say the same about the sh*t you wrote. I voted Labour and damm proud of it. Without workers there are no business either you know.

Not all people are capable to sticking up for themselves in front of the boss or manager, particularly when these people intimidate workers. if you can that's good.

You know big business have their various associations that lobby governments etc for various things and noone seems to complain about these. The unions are the workers voice in the same way. Without unions and their strive for better working conditions, we wouldnt have a 40hr week, 4 wks annual leave, safer conditions on building sites and I could go on. One of the big pushes in the transport union (and no im not involved in transport) at the moment is to reduce the reduce the time behind a wheel drivers have to do to get loads to whr they have to go on time. Times that are forced by big business which are unrealistic. I for one would be happy to see less truck drivers on the road who have been behind the wheel 12hrs straight and may have to take pills to stay awake.

Everyone has the right to have a say and have a voice at higher level and the unions are the independant voice for the workers. Its all about being treated fairly and without fear of reprise.

[tmac450]

The point all unionists miss, is that at no point did Howard ever say you couldn't use a union representative, or use the unions to negotiate your contract (in fact, they encouraged it). What the unions didn't like was the fact that Work Choices made it possible for individuals to make their own "CHOICES".

Yes, the unions do some good, but what they said in the last election, is basically that people are incapable of indipendant thought, that you can't do anyting without them. Judging by the outcome they were right. The problem is that many facets of the unions have become corrupted, affectively doing the opposite of helping, instead causing worker hardships, etc. Work Choices was about weakening the corrupt side of the unions.

But, businesses are not botomless pits, the more you squeeze them, the more the fewer people they'll employ. Here's a novel idea, have you tried just getting on and putting in 110% to do your job. You'll find that you become invaluable to the company, you'll be in a better position for advancement or a raise. If you knew anything about business at all, you'd understand that having to fire and rehire is no easy task.

Weather you like it or not, the facts are:

If you voted against Howard because of Work Choices, you were misled.

If it was because of Iraq, Rudd was the loudest voice in Labour, supporting going to Iraq, he in fact lobied for it. His so called withdrawal was only a partial one anyway.

If it was for the environment, what's been done now, the signing of a useless agreement that Howard came up with at Apec. Or Rudd's solution for everything, tax it!

If it was for lying, all pollies lie, but at least he stood by his beleifs and did what he beleived was best for the country he was elected to run, regardless of how this would affect the vote. Rudd on the other hand will lie and continually change his mind all fo the sake of a few votes.

Yes, Australia voted, now Australia has to pay.

[Butto]

Geez Ive done well to stir some serious sh*t between forum members. All I know is when Howard was in charge everything was running, maybe not completely smooth but it was running. IF IT'S NOT BROKEN DON'T FIX IT!

[ubute]

For the record, its Labor not Labour.

I don't get how people voted Labor for their policies, when they copied most of them from Johnny anyway.

I think people who donkey vote automatically lose their right to complain about any government or any tax or any law etc, because they had their change to make their opinion count but threw it away because they couldn't be stuffed putting any thought into it, even just to chose the lesser of the 2 evils.

The other thing that irks me is people who voted that way just because they "thought they could do with a change". Fair enough change is sometimes necessary to stop getting stale thinking and blase attitudes, but if that's the only reason and the only thought you put into it, well you're not too bright.

Sometimes I reckon, and particularly did in this case, better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

[jetute]

The point all unionists miss, is that at no point did Howard ever say you couldn't use a union representative, or use the unions to negotiate your contract (in fact, they encouraged it). What the unions didn't like was the fact that Work Choices made it possible for individuals to make their own "CHOICES".

too true.... some understand and some dont, makes you wonder doesnt it