murray Member 4 Member For: 16y 6m 1d Posted 01/09/08 08:21 AM Author Share Posted 01/09/08 08:21 AM G'day All,Thank you to everyone for replying, although it is sad to hear this is happening to other people, it is comforting in a strange way.Nashy, you mention your dealer is intending to replace some parts after contacting Ford......do you know which parts they intend to replace or are they doing the whole gearbox?FG-XR6T, I have heard about this 'Neutral Rollover' & also 'Cold Clash' however my car does not suffer from this problem (touch wood). Please let us all know the result once the new gearbox is fitted.Timbo, I must agree......It is very embarassing when taking family & friends for a spin. I get some strange looks, but I reasure them it is a performance car & it is 'supposed' to do that.....I almost believe myself, I've said it so many times In my opinion, the noise is caused by excessive backlash in the gearbox. As 1st & 2nd gears are quite high ratios, once the clutch pedal is depressed, the driving force is suddenly released and the gears rattle against each other. From 3rd gear up, the ratios are smaller and therefore the difference between neutral and driven is smaller, causing the level of backlash do reduce. This is just my opinion, I have no evidence to support such a claim.I am of the opinion these gearboxes are either built out-of spec (excessive backlash) or they are built as per spec & Ford needs to revise the specification.Thank you once again for your replies, hopefully we will hear of some successful outcomes with the guys getting their gearbox's fixed.Regards,Murray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nashy Member 96 Member For: 16y 4m 24d Location: Tully, QLD Posted 01/09/08 08:37 AM Share Posted 01/09/08 08:37 AM Goes in tomorrow so will give more details then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FG-XR6T Member 177 Member For: 16y 6m 20d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 02/09/08 07:22 AM Share Posted 02/09/08 07:22 AM Yeah the rollover in my car is there when the car is cold but fades away. I still find it hard to belive they can call that normal. Will let you all know how the new gearbox goes next week. I recon my rollover noise will still be there but the noise in the gearbox will hopefully disapear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monza1414 Member 58 Member For: 16y 4m 18d Gender: Male Location: Cranny East Posted 02/09/08 11:00 AM Share Posted 02/09/08 11:00 AM Have done 3200km on mine and it is dead silent, fortunately. No complaints here for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massiv Member 89 Member For: 16y 9m 13d Gender: Male Location: East Bentleigh Posted 10/09/08 12:02 AM Share Posted 10/09/08 12:02 AM G'day All,Thank you to everyone for replying, although it is sad to hear this is happening to other people, it is comforting in a strange way.Nashy, you mention your dealer is intending to replace some parts after contacting Ford......do you know which parts they intend to replace or are they doing the whole gearbox?FG-XR6T, I have heard about this 'Neutral Rollover' & also 'Cold Clash' however my car does not suffer from this problem (touch wood). Please let us all know the result once the new gearbox is fitted.Timbo, I must agree......It is very embarassing when taking family & friends for a spin. I get some strange looks, but I reasure them it is a performance car & it is 'supposed' to do that.....I almost believe myself, I've said it so many times In my opinion, the noise is caused by excessive backlash in the gearbox. As 1st & 2nd gears are quite high ratios, once the clutch pedal is depressed, the driving force is suddenly released and the gears rattle against each other. From 3rd gear up, the ratios are smaller and therefore the difference between neutral and driven is smaller, causing the level of backlash do reduce. This is just my opinion, I have no evidence to support such a claim.I am of the opinion these gearboxes are either built out-of spec (excessive backlash) or they are built as per spec & Ford needs to revise the specification.Thank you once again for your replies, hopefully we will hear of some successful outcomes with the guys getting their gearbox's fixed.Regards,MurrayMate...I dont have an FG but I have a November Build XR6T BF MKII that had pretty much exactly the same problem. Like yours it had a very disturbing rattle on throttle that resonated through the gear stick destroying any other enjoyable sound you could possible get from driving your car. Took it to President ford in Elsternwick they told me it was normal and shoved FOAM down the gear stick shaft (which they didnt originally tell me) and said to go away its a ford enjoy it. Clearly not excepting this explanation I called ford head office made a official complaint and then took it to Ethridge Ford as I hear they have a better reputation then other dealerships, got the foreman to have a drive with me while I drove it. The key however is to kick up a big stink to Ford H/O so the rep that looks after you follows up every stage with the dealership putting pressure on them to make sure they get the job done right. They'll do this because any bad remark on their record shows in their history. He agreed that it was not normal... tried to fix it... it was ok for 2 weeks then it sh*t itself again. Took it back and they put a brand new one in for me. Its been great ever since... you can still on low revs hear the hash roll over noise and you can still on idle hear the thrust bearing shaking around but most of that goes away when the car warms up and you have the clutch down.Point to this story is.... make them put a new gearbox in your car!!! you dont pay good money for nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHANTMXR6 It's not a MKI! Member 1,742 Member For: 16y 4m 3d Gender: Male Location: Earth Posted 10/09/08 01:15 AM Share Posted 10/09/08 01:15 AM Ok. My turn.I've done 6400kms in mine and have also noticed a couple of noises coming from the gearbox/clutch area.Firstly the 1st and 2nd gear noise.I could hear this and it got slightly louder after the first 3-4000kms.More noticeable when the oil was up to operating temp than cold.It was definately gear whine as I expected the gear teeth to 'bed in' for the first couple of thousand kms anyway.It only got to a certain degree of loudness, for choice of a better description, and didn't get any worse.Ok, I thought, lets try changing the trans oil when I get a service done at 5000kms.I didn't know that the trans actually ran Dexron III auto trans fluid in it, until it got serviced either.Anyway. New oil was put in it and the noise is still there, but it is ever so faint that you can't actually hear it unless you know what you are listening for. I've asked people that I have taken for a drive to see if they can notice a noise and no one can.I believe the noise to be an engineering fault that may never be completely eradicated. Besides, for the box to handle 500+nm of torque all the time everything needs to be reasonably heavy duty. Noise will always be a byproduct.Secondly the clutch noise when engaging and disengaging.I can't prove it but judging by pedal feel and noise I reckon it's the hydraulicly actuated thrust bearing assembly contacting the fingers of the clutch. I've tried engaging and disengaging in neutral slowly and then rapidly and you can hear the 'bite' when doing it rapidly. Once again, I believe this to be a noise by design, not fault.My mind is at ease with the transmission for now as it gets a fair bit of grunt put through it.If a noise that doesn't sound quite right starts to appear then further investigation will take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murray Member 4 Member For: 16y 6m 1d Posted 22/09/08 07:01 AM Author Share Posted 22/09/08 07:01 AM G'day All,Nashy/FG-XR6T, Just wondering how you guys got on with your service department. Did you get the entire gearbox changed? Result? I hope you guys have had the problem resolved.Adding to my own situation, I now have the 'Neutral Rollover' sound, only present in neutral with the clutch pedal out. This one doesn't bother me as you can barely hear it, only if you give it a little blip, then it's quite bad.Thanks guys.Murray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senna_T Forged Member Lifetime Members 15,818 Member For: 17y 8m 15d Gender: Male Location: SW Sydney Posted 22/09/08 07:24 AM Share Posted 22/09/08 07:24 AM Apparently the engaging noise you get on the FG's has something to do with a spring in the clutch that is too small. Ford know about it and they are working on a fix for it. I have been told that there is no danger to the driveline or operation of the clutch, just a litle loose. If I hear anything else I'll let you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FG-XR6T Member 177 Member For: 16y 6m 20d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 22/09/08 09:13 AM Share Posted 22/09/08 09:13 AM Hi Guys,Got the entire gearbox replaced and the noise is still there but not as often. Have contacted the dealership again and will be going in again soon. Im driving it for now to see if it becomes as bad as the last one? I dont think its the gearbox making the noise. PO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FG-XR6T Member 177 Member For: 16y 6m 20d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 22/09/08 09:18 AM Share Posted 22/09/08 09:18 AM Will let you all know in a week or 2 if the noise has progressed or faded! I didnt even hear the noise last time I drove the car so who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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