INASNT Member 361 Member For: 18y 6m 3d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 15/08/08 06:59 AM Share Posted 15/08/08 06:59 AM I was browsing through the Ford manual last night and noticed that there is a recording function that keeps records from all sensors, lenght before rerecording wasent mentioned, so incase of an accident an authorised Ford tech can download the data and it can be used by the courts. Is this a new thing for the FG or has it been around for awhile? I bet Ford would use this data if you ever made a warranty claim to check what you were doing when something broke.A tuner should be able to get into this and use it to aide tuning on the dyno? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vfast Member 70 Member For: 16y 8m 30d Posted 15/08/08 09:41 AM Share Posted 15/08/08 09:41 AM Not sure I'm with you on the connection between history of how a car is driven and how this would aide tuning on the dyno.To my knowledge is pretty new, but wouldn't be surprised if this has been the case for a while. One step further - I know there was / is talk of VE commodores having gps tracking enabled for 'fleet' vehicles not sure if that ever got put into practice.Note also the same system can tell FoMoCo when it was last flashed, comparing that against service records to prove you'd 'tuned' your car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford_Power Member 798 Member For: 21y 10m 23d Posted 15/08/08 11:02 AM Share Posted 15/08/08 11:02 AM It has been around since BA. The data has not ever been used in court.... YET. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanra Into the laaaake Member 1,532 Member For: 17y 8m 9d Gender: Male Location: Nrth Qld Posted 15/08/08 12:26 PM Share Posted 15/08/08 12:26 PM A friend of mine was a mechanic at Expensive Daewoo dealership. A 2 door Opel Omega came in with leg out of bed to be repaired under warranty. They were able to get in there and determine that at time of failure the engine Revs were on the limiter, engine water temp was stone cold, rear wheel speed was a hundred or so kph's. Pretty obvious to see what has happened. Not to sure if it got fixed under warranty or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsmith Donating Members 712 Member For: 17y 3m 30d Gender: Male Location: Blacktown Posted 15/08/08 01:29 PM Share Posted 15/08/08 01:29 PM The data has not ever been used in court.... YET.Wanna bet! There was a murder case a while ago where the data taken from the onboard computer was used in court that helped convict the murderer.Don't ask how this implicated the suspect (at the time) but it was used, the technician got a plaque as thanks that is now on his office wall. Don't know how much more info I can give without getting in trouble so will have to leave it at that unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsmith Donating Members 712 Member For: 17y 3m 30d Gender: Male Location: Blacktown Posted 15/08/08 01:31 PM Share Posted 15/08/08 01:31 PM one more little bit of info I will put in was that the murder was basically in your backyard ford_power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford_Power Member 798 Member For: 21y 10m 23d Posted 16/08/08 03:46 AM Share Posted 16/08/08 03:46 AM Really? I'm not doubting what you are saying, but was this published anywhere? Newspaper? Online? Anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom XR6 Member 1,460 Member For: 21y 9m 29d Location: Geelong Victoria Posted 16/08/08 06:34 AM Share Posted 16/08/08 06:34 AM Wanna bet! There was a murder case a while ago where the data taken from the onboard computer was used in court that helped convict the murderer.Don't ask how this implicated the suspect (at the time) but it was used, the technician got a plaque as thanks that is now on his office wall. Don't know how much more info I can give without getting in trouble so will have to leave it at that unfortunately.Unless the car was crashed there is no info on the black box that could implicate anyone for anything related to a murder, and AFAIK it only records a few seconds before an accident. Unless an accident was related to the murder ie. car deliberated crashed to kill someone.There has been one case of it being used in the US when a guy going twice the limit ran over and killed a child, and as it deployed the airbag the black box recorded all the details and showed what speed he was doing at the time of the accident. The article I read about it said that it wouldn't have been admissable in court here in Australia due to privacy laws, but somehow they found some sort of loophole for it to be used in court in the US. Its supposed to only be used by the manufacturer to record crash data that they can use to make cars safer, that's why it can't be used in court against you because they do not have your permission, or any type of authority to use it against you, there is only one reason its in your car and it can not be used for anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INASNT Member 361 Member For: 18y 6m 3d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 16/08/08 07:35 AM Author Share Posted 16/08/08 07:35 AM (edited) Does anyone know how many seconds it is actually keeping records of?I am sure the courts could easily request the information from Ford if the incident was serious enough Edited 16/08/08 07:38 AM by Buf-Phoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom XR6 Member 1,460 Member For: 21y 9m 29d Location: Geelong Victoria Posted 17/08/08 02:15 AM Share Posted 17/08/08 02:15 AM Its only a few seconds.Courts cannot access the info, Ford are the only people who can use it for safety evaluation purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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