Will These Work On Xr6 Turbo?

[senna_T]

ok, so you've got me very interested! How easy do you think this is though? I mean does it have a knock warning so you don't pop your engine the first time you try and turn the wick up? Or is the interface user friendly? Does it show the injector duty in a percentage or will it tell you that the car is leaning out?

I'm just worried about people getting this software and turning everything up...

[groper]

you would have to be mad to do your first tune from scratch without the help of an experienced tuner, that's why I dont belive it will negatively affect the professional tuners, although I suspect CAPA thinks so...

its not easy, however it would become more so if the information was out there and people were capable of educating themselves...? a good start would be reading thru the tuners forums and get an idea how its done, there are sh*tloads all over the world.

you need to know what your doing, or you will destroy your engine very quickly, you need to learn the software, and learn how to set things up to progress safely forward whilst slowly winding things up, all this stuff is taught in the nispro tuners training course for obvious reasons.

You can set things up for example, for the ECU to pull out a certain amount of timing based on what the knock sensor hears as your tuning things. The knock sensor in my car was very effective, and it would detect slight pings before we could hear them aurally. You need to know what your doing though, otherwise as you adding more timing, if you forget to check the datalog to see if the ECU was hearing a knock, the ecu pulls out what you just put in and you wouldnt know it etc...

you need information. its not going to be for everyone.

[groper]

ratter, ive seen you on the sct forum... what are your thoughts?

[senna_T]

hmmm, totally agree you would need to be careful, other wise I can see a Group buy on F6 bottom ends!

Keep us informed Groper

[ratter]

My thoughts may come accross as being biased which I do not intend to as I tune cars , but I will give my personal opinion.

The software is not as easy to use and datalog as you guys think.

There is not a set of instructions that guide you through, although it is not rocket science it will take a little while to get your head around

Although a majority of the tuning can be done without a dyno, you will need a dyno to get the last bit of performance from your cars even down low in the rev range.

The back up from SCT is pretty ordinary to the point where they don't even answer questions on their forums.

Their forums are not a step by step guide to tuning cars either.

The software is not layed out in a way that is easy to find a parameter that needs to be adjusted, ie there can be 4-5 tables that may need to be adjusted just to get the air fuel ratio to your desired point.

I have done the last 3 Nizpro tuning seminars and keep learning new things all the time.

The first time I did the tuning seminar, I had no idea where to even start with using the software and I've been a mechanic for quite a few years.

I also thought that I could sucessfully tune a car without a dyno - wrong - I have now invested in a $77000 dyno just so I can tune.

The cars do have knock sensors, but they can not be relied on correctly to pick up knock and the sensors themselves require quite a bit of tuning to make them work correctly. Jerry from SCT actually hates knock sensors because of this reason.

You will need some form of wide band o2 sensor to check your air fuel ratios.

While on about air fuel ratios, timing will need to be different for different A/F so you will need to monitor them closely.

I could go on and on, but I'm not great at typing what is actually going on, Maybe Danny could elaborate a bit better than I can.

Good luck with tuning if you do get it, but be prepared for a huge learning curve and also a warning that part of that learning curve may end up as damaged engines. There is a lot of satisfaction in doing things yourself.

Also don't expect any back up from Capa if you buy the software directly from the states.

Good luck and keep us informed how you go :ifiusethisimafag:

[groper]

there isnt much else to tell... theyre available now, and it gives the ability of the owner to tune thier own car when perhaps their usual tuner is not available or cant spend the time to be at the strip making changes on the fly. I thought it would be useful for alot of people who drag race etc. For example, I dont have a tune for race fuel. So I ask my tuner for my last tune file and head off down the strip with my laptop and datalogger and some drums of martinis 110.

I plug in the datalogger and do a run on the race fuel after I have added say 1 degree of timing. at the end of the pass, I check the laptop and see if the knock sensor heard anything.... it didnt, so I add another 1 degree of timing and go for another pass etc. until I see it start to hear a knock, then I stop adding the timing and I have created a new tune for myself for race fuel. With a wideband o2 sensor up the tailpipe, I could do the same with boost, and say create a new tune @ 20psi on the race fuel... no dyno required. at a later date, I pay $60 or whatever for a dyno run at the local, and I can then see what effect my new tune had....

or another example might be that I have just bought a new FG turbo and I want to fiddle around with the launch control and suss out the best rpm and boost to launch from on MT`s :ifiusethisimafag:

cant do that on a dyno, and cant cant do that in a tune shop either.

Edited 26/05/08 02:13 AM by Dagabond

[senna_T]

sounds good in theory mate :ifiusethisimafag: