Awd Typhoon

[SavageF6]

That is just like saying y would u hot your engine up? just buy a super car. N twin turbo a xr6t. Y do it because we can.

It's nothing like saying "why would you hot your engine up". That's exactly my point. Plenty of people have actually achieved more power/modded their cars because:

a) it's within the budget of the normal person, and

b) it's NOT a massive engineering feat

It's true that bigger, more expensive projects have been undertaken with making huge power etc, but even then there's a realistic goal/endgame for all your trouble and expense.

The same can't simply be said of turning a RWD XR6T into an AWD version. It's certainly not impossible, but it WOULD be disproportionately expensive and time consuming unlike modding these cars for power. So much so, that again, no one's ever bothered.

didnt nizpro build a ute with gtr running gear?

They put the rear IRS of a GTR into the rear of their Turbo ute, so still RWD only. In fact, it's a topic worth searching out, because I remember the final sentiment from Simon himself was along the lines of 'impressive technical feat of engineering, but not really worth the time and effort in the end'.

Edited 06/03/10 11:38 PM by SavageF6

[cobramad]

I still reckon its a doer, and given the huge bucks some members spend to achieve their 600+RWKW, a clever means of getting AWD happening in a BA/F/FG platform would be an engineering achievement that would trump all their efforts. Seeing that a Territory is basically a high-riding Falcon

and that even Ford themselves used one as a development mule, its certainly not beyond the realms of the skills and engineering that already exists. Floorpan is definitely an issue, packaging that front diff is another. As has been rightly pointed out, FG runs a similar steering and crossmember.. Imagine the balance and power of an XR6T/Typhoon, with massively improved drive OUT of corners, especially with a nice helping of rear wheel drive bias..

That would be very tasty indeed. Screw the mega-hp motors we all are capable of building, putting all that kw to better use is where it will ultimately be at. Anyone who has driven a capable AWD vehicle or better still, competed against one in a FWD or RWD will know what its like to be blown away by a car with often heaps less horsepower. Its all about getting clever and using their oppositions strengths to our advantage. What say you?

Mal K

[blobak]

An Aussie all wheel drive turbo sedan is nothing new. For those that can remember, there is a VL Late model camira turbo 3.0lt that had GTR running gear fitted. Was a write up about in Street Machine many years ago. It was engineered, and made to look like it was factory fitted. was a bloody good job. It just depends on how much you really want to do something!

[Guest XR09]

Ford did a 4WD falcon ute in 1971. I saw one in Coolum the other day and I still want one. Me thinks a place for the transfer case would be hard to find in the FG but anything is possible with time and lots of money. Like the Audi RS8 V10 it would haul 4 asses lol. And me thinks like the Audi the major issue would be electronics to the central diff to get it to go, stick and turn.

[cobramad]

System as it stands in the Territory application would be fine as a starting point, using a fixed torque split that is rear biased. Now as to controlling or varying torque split, that's a whole other story. If we can and do have 2.2ton Territories running in the 11's without massive kw's, wouldnt you naturally ask yourself why our super-hp RWD's, often with big bucks spent, struggle to run the same times? AWD makes all the difference, providing clean and consistent launches and allowing good you to put those hard-won kw's to the ground. As to the times when the road isnt clean and grippy, or its a little cold and wet, then its an absolute no contest. Granted, its not everyones cup of tea, but there is no denying its effectiveness. Lets apply a little lateral thinking and work on a way to make these cars of ours a little less old-hat and quite possibly more a heap more fun. Need to get one of each example onto the hoists and see what works.. Just need a few donor bits... preferably whole cars!!

Mal K

[ZAP]

F6X is close to a AWD F6, just with the body of the Territory.

I do not know why anyone would bother with the cost of converting a F6 as it would cost a fortune.

The AWD system fitted to the Territories are not really designed to be a performance AWD system as it is chain driven, no LSD or fancy systems like an Evo or GTR.

With a lot of power, there is a good chance of just spinning a single wheel and getting less traction than a F6 with just RWD. The additional weight would also defeat the reasoning behind the gains in traction.

[BFHOON]

An Aussie all wheel drive turbo sedan is nothing new. For those that can remember, there is a VL Late model camira turbo 3.0lt that had GTR running gear fitted. Was a write up about in Street Machine many years ago. It was engineered, and made to look like it was factory fitted. was a bloody good job. It just depends on how much you really want to do something!

I read that article, he got his mother to drive it to a Expensive Daewoo dealership to get an oil change done.

[cobramad]

F6X is close to a AWD F6, just with the body of the Territory.

I do not know why anyone would bother with the cost of converting a F6 as it would cost a fortune.

The AWD system fitted to the Territories are not really designed to be a performance AWD system as it is chain driven, no LSD or fancy systems like an Evo or GTR.

With a lot of power, there is a good chance of just spinning a single wheel and getting less traction than a F6 with just RWD. The additional weight would also defeat the reasoning behind the gains in traction.

Ive been fortunate to have owned an F6 and trust me, they drive totally differently, being based on similar but still different platforms. As you have rightly said, its a chain driven AWD system, but Im yet to hear of anyone blowing theirs up..(As to the ZF, launching at 10psi tends to have its share or risks. Unlike the high-hp 6's/T's who eat driveshafts and CV's for breakfast. Having AWD means that I can launch harder than your wildest dreams, wet or dry, good or poor surface. Carrying extra weight doesnt hurt at all, when you have superior traction..DynoJunkies TGT is one that springs to mind..

Simply check out the kw's at the wheels and compare them to the elapsed times and even you will see that your last paragraph is patent nonsense.. And that's before we even get into kerb mass..

Perhaps its time to move into the New Age ZAP?

Mal K

[seduced]

In the recent bathurst 12 hour, the SS wagon RWD pulled quicker lap times in the wet than the EVOs and WRXs....

Very interesting.

AWD would be great, but is all the R&D really worth the outcome? All that effort for a better 60ft time? Now if the falcon was FWD and you wanted to amke it AWD, then that would be worth doing. RWD is still best IMO.

[TUR-BO6]

1970s falcons...1980s vls...? hang on correct me if im wrong but what about the rtv???