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[Erko]

just had a read....you are doing a top job there, they are taking the bait beatifully

its farkin funny that the WRX boys all think that their cars are fantastic handlers.....grip yes, handlers no. A lot of these same pillocks will have 50kgs of stereo in the boot and be running Nankangs

you got to rib them about understeer! (I couldnt be arsed signing up)

Edited 11/04/08 10:19 PM by RACEFPV

[our06t]

thought they were a resonable bunch better reaction than you would get here telling us sh*t like that

[iTec]

thought they were a resonable bunch better reaction than you would get here telling us sh*t like that

I have to agree its like 90% positive and 10% trying to be negative and not really managing to get the point.

dollar for dollar stock or modified there is going to be certain areas where the wrx or xr6 is better, the xr6 just happenes to be better in all of them except corners

personaly I bet you I would have as much fun around a track with the arse hanging out on every turn as a wrx would have going 9/10ths around every turn... its all subjective.

track days are for fun, drag days are for fun and cruising is for fun. if you are worried about a 10th here or there then you are driving the wrong car to start with, no matter what way you look at it.

[AzMahoony]

Still waiting to be validated

[7MA61]

dollar for dollar stock or modified there is going to be certain areas where the wrx or xr6 is better, the xr6 just happenes to be better in all of them except corners

Depends who the better driver is

PS might want to change you profile not to say XR6 owner if you wanna get validated

[bcl]

just had a read....you are doing a top job there, they are taking the bait beatifully

its farkin funny that the WRX boys all think that their cars are fantastic handlers.....grip yes, handlers no. A lot of these same pillocks will have 50kgs of stereo in the boot and be running Nankangs

you got to rib them about understeer! (I couldnt be arsed signing up)

The Evo's won todays challenge against the WRX guys at Eastern creek.

Pretty well outstanding from both camps. My young son came 15th with a 1:47 in his daily driven Evo, so they were all pretty quick.

RACEFPV, what time do you do?

Brian

[ExAreSix]

I own both, so I think I may be qualified to offer a genuine opinion on both cars.

I have both a MY99 WRX (Club Spec EVO3), and an 05 XR6T.

Performance:

Stock for stock, the WRX takes the prize. Easily.

Has enough mumbo to stay within a couple of car lengths behind an XR6T in a straight line. Yes, straight line performance, XR6T will take a stock WRX. No doubt.

But the WRX is so nimble and chuckable, a stock XR6T will be too busy trying to stop it's own weight from throwing itself into a guardrail. Meanwhile, the WRX is goooone.

Now my WRX is as good as stock at the time I write this. All I've done so far is my own cold air intake, fuel pump, and King springs all round. Tyres a cheap chinese crap.

My XR6T is far from stock. Practically everything that can be sorted, has been. Power is in the high 300s. I have Tein coiovers all round. Brembos all round. And a set of rims shod with semi slicks.

My T, with it's braking performance, will out brake the wrx easily. I think the wrx will hold the same mid corner pace as my T, with it's factory suspension (King springs have shown significant gains with less body roll), given it is 400kg lighter. Yes, the wrx suffers understeer. But in the dry, or wet, it is very predictable. In the wet, it is very easy to steer the wrx with the thottle. You have to ride the throttle in the wrx, you can't just give it WOT mid corner and expect it to turn, it will not.

I'd tip the T to get away from the corner a little quicker, but only marginally due to traction issues. Once the wrx is pointed the right way it just gets away with all paw grip. Once traction is found though, the T is goooone.

Throw in a change of direction though, the wrx will turn inside the falcon.

I would love to get a set of semi slicks for the wrx to see if that would overcome much of the understeer issues mine has. Much of it is the infamous rex understeer, but I think much of it is also the cheap tyres mine has on it.

At the end of next month I hope to make it to Wakefield for a track day. I plan on taking both my T and WRX. By then the WRX will hopefully be midly modified with somewhere in the region of 180-190awkws.

The wrx will be running the cheap street tyres, the T will have the semis. I hope the T will be much quicker than the rex, but I just don't know. Eastern creek there'd be no contest, the T would conquer with straight line performance. But with only a short straight at Wakefield, I don't think there'll be much separating the two.

Comfort, and grand touring:

The big falcon takes the prize, easily. More compliant ride (even with the Teins), comfy seats. It's a much nicer place to be on long hauls.

And stock for stock, the XR6T makes overtaking a breeze, compared to the wrx. Not that it's hard to overtake in the rex, just the big I6T does it so easily.

Obviously heaps more cargo space then the wrx also.

Just quietly, I think once I've got my wrx to 180awkws, I'll be taking it down to the shops more regularly than the falcon.

[ENVY-T]

QUOTE(Davesti @ Apr 11 2008, 05:44 PM)

You have bought the wrong car pal and by the looks of it a sh*t color to boot.

Like I said earlier you have a rolly polly POS that cant handle, throw in a wet twisty road and try and race a rexie with 95kw atw, mate you would be on edge with a dry tonge stuck to your white quivering lips trying to keep up.

Go and race a rexi on the race track fat boy and then see who looks the fool.

Cody leave this one alone mate, you are on a rex forum after all, otherwise go with fat boy and talk the talk on the Ford forum.

Oxygen thieves like yourself should crawl back into the 8 inch cannon exhaust you bought from Autobarn. I have a Wife, 2 Kids, a dog and a LIFE (unlike yourself). So for the moment, a TAXI styled vehicle is what I require. I also like drag racing, which my car is well suited to. Try sticking a baby capsule, booster seat, a pram and a weeks worth of groceries in your REX, and still see get a real kick out of driving your car. LOL

Around town my car is more comfy than yours, is much more spirited, always, and I say always, in the right gear for max torque and max smiles. In saying all that, as soon as the time comes that I no longer need a "family car", which is soon me hopes, I will be buying the latest EVO or a GTR.

QUOTE(Ewok @ Apr 11 2008, 06:40 PM)

This shouldn't really be a surprise. A good FWD car will out handle almost anyhting. Honda Integra, Renault Clio Sport and Megane, commonly known as some of the best handling cars in the world.

Problem is when you through big HP at them...

Had a well sorted N15 SSS, and around the Black spur in Victoria, I led a pack of heavily modified 33 GTR's, 200sx's, evo 3 and 4's and then some. The only time they moaned was on the short straight sections, where they would reel me in, but by halfway up, I had made a big enough gap to be almost 2 corners ahead of them. It was my favorite "driving" car.

QUOTE(funfernickle @ Apr 12 2008, 09:12 PM)

I don't understand what some of you guys are bitching about? Is it an ego thing that your WRX needs to be the best car out there? There are some fantastic Aussie cars out now (new XR6T, HSV anything) and some great Jap cars (pre-my08 wrx, 350z, any GTR etc), some great Euro's (M3, 135i etc).... each car has different advantages over the other, why can't people accept that some cars are better than others in different areas?

I can't wait until the new XR6T's are in the second hand market - I'll be ready to get rid of the WRX and get one......... actually, I want a phoon or a 6.2 clubby. I'm over the understeer!

Seriously, how many of you guys take your car to the track each weekend? Who gives a rats arse if you're 2 seconds quicker around Wakefield. I'd rather be in a leather seat with a 6-speed auto and 550+ nm of torque ready to go

P.S. Had a couple of cans today... the point of my message is, I'd be happy with anything other than a MY08 WRX/STI.

http://jalopnik.com/377283/2010-chevy-cama...ig-at-the-wheel

What I really meant to say was, have a look at that link. You can keep your 200kw atw WRX's AND your XR6T's!

that's all and goodnight.

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LMAO, that should stir it up maybe.

Edited 13/04/08 08:51 AM by ENVY-T

[Mat]

I own both, so I think I may be qualified to offer a genuine opinion on both cars.

I have both a MY99 WRX (Club Spec EVO3), and an 05 XR6T.

Performance:

Stock for stock, the WRX takes the prize. Easily.

Has enough mumbo to stay within a couple of car lengths behind an XR6T in a straight line. Yes, straight line performance, XR6T will take a stock WRX. No doubt.

But the WRX is so nimble and chuckable, a stock XR6T will be too busy trying to stop it's own weight from throwing itself into a guardrail. Meanwhile, the WRX is goooone.

Now my WRX is as good as stock at the time I write this. All I've done so far is my own cold air intake, fuel pump, and King springs all round. Tyres a cheap chinese crap.

My XR6T is far from stock. Practically everything that can be sorted, has been. Power is in the high 300s. I have Tein coiovers all round. Brembos all round. And a set of rims shod with semi slicks.

My T, with it's braking performance, will out brake the wrx easily. I think the wrx will hold the same mid corner pace as my T, with it's factory suspension (King springs have shown significant gains with less body roll), given it is 400kg lighter. Yes, the wrx suffers understeer. But in the dry, or wet, it is very predictable. In the wet, it is very easy to steer the wrx with the thottle. You have to ride the throttle in the wrx, you can't just give it WOT mid corner and expect it to turn, it will not.

I'd tip the T to get away from the corner a little quicker, but only marginally due to traction issues. Once the wrx is pointed the right way it just gets away with all paw grip. Once traction is found though, the T is goooone.

Throw in a change of direction though, the wrx will turn inside the falcon.

I would love to get a set of semi slicks for the wrx to see if that would overcome much of the understeer issues mine has. Much of it is the infamous rex understeer, but I think much of it is also the cheap tyres mine has on it.

At the end of next month I hope to make it to Wakefield for a track day. I plan on taking both my T and WRX. By then the WRX will hopefully be midly modified with somewhere in the region of 180-190awkws.

The wrx will be running the cheap street tyres, the T will have the semis. I hope the T will be much quicker than the rex, but I just don't know. Eastern creek there'd be no contest, the T would conquer with straight line performance. But with only a short straight at Wakefield, I don't think there'll be much separating the two.

Comfort, and grand touring:

The big falcon takes the prize, easily. More compliant ride (even with the Teins), comfy seats. It's a much nicer place to be on long hauls.

And stock for stock, the XR6T makes overtaking a breeze, compared to the wrx. Not that it's hard to overtake in the rex, just the big I6T does it so easily.

Obviously heaps more cargo space then the wrx also.

Just quietly, I think once I've got my wrx to 180awkws, I'll be taking it down to the shops more regularly than the falcon.

What he said!

Ohh and I cant forget my VERY thrashed 10 year old WRX has less build quality problems than my 07 XR6T. At 180K kms it has no oil leaks, lights that work 100% of the time, rotors that dont warp etc. At 20k kms the taxi cant say the same.

My mate with an 07 WRX and another guy with an 07 XR6T (Very similiar to mine lol) had some freindly comparison between their cars around the AHG long track. Taxi was great on the straight but got killed in the twisty stuff. Evo's killed both though. But I reckon Mitsubishi has worse build quality then Ford so that's evens it up :D

[Dagabond]

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