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[BAXRTUTE]

How does this go from unisex toilets to naked girls showering in a change room?

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[k31th]

3 minutes ago, Frederick said:

Unisex solves what? The tiny tiny minority who have gender identity issues?
What other issues are caused by segregating toilets and change rooms?

Probably not a complete list (just for toilets, not change rooms)... but here goes...

 

Separated:

Cons: waste of space, waste of resources, causes people to think that human waste excretion is different among the sexes, provides an area known to have only the physiologically weaker sex in vulnerable states, provides ambiguity in situations where it shouldn't (trans etc), makes handling your own child in an opposite gender location have it's own stigma, legal issues with different places having different rules on who can be in what toilet.

 

Pros: people feel safer (but is it really safer... I doubt it), it's what we're used to, less effort to remain the way it is, toilets can be designed specifically to be "masculine or feminine" (not sure if this is a pro?),

 

Unisex:

Cons: expensive to change to, education of the masses into why this is OK, possibility of genitalia exposure at urinals.

 

Pros: No ambiguity, there's possibility of a member of the stronger physiological sex being there in all scenario's (both a con and a pro, maybe, based on your personal thinking), human waste excretion is equalised, no legal issues on who is in what toilet.

 

1 minute ago, Frederick said:

And I see your point but that's not necessarily the case...
How would u feel if your wife/daughter got naked infront of men every day and not all.of those men were of a high moral standard... theres segregation for a reason not just because it's what we're used to. Scenario 1... hot chick naked in a change room . ...guy gets a boner watching her dry her snatch... even multiple guys... shes meant to be ok with this? As if it doesn't make her and other uncomfy.... that's not because of social conditioning, that's because men are attracted to women and vise versa.
Its natural yes... do we wanna see it all the time ? No.

Monogamy isnt natural either.... so we should just give into our caveman urges and orgi in change rooms everywhere....

Now asides from the fact you'd actually get laid I see no upside to this... we aren't animals... if u wanna smash down the walls of gender segregation in the ways youre talking about then also bam marriage, Monogamy, contraception...shal I keep going ?

There's a much deeper discussion here. You brought up the key point here yourself, though; it's natural. Anything that's human nature should be allowed, imho. We're going way off base to discuss most of the points you brought up here, though

[Box stock T.]

So do we need to have transgender toilets at schools now.

These transgenders are both male and female so these the ones who should use unisex toilets because this is exactly what they are.

[Puffwagon]

3 minutes ago, BAXRTUTE said:

So people should make there decision based on fear or a maybe case?

 

Its ridiculous..... life isnt based on fear but our mentality on moving forward in life as a whole is 100% based on fear.

 

Not in every situation but in this one, yeah they should. 

 

I take my young kids to the toilet to be supervised on the off chance that some sick fark is in there.

 

25 minutes ago, k31th said:

As mentioned previously, urinals are only an issue if you're on a certain angle; you have to go out of your way to see genitalia. Obviously these aren't suitable for people with vaginas, but they're highly efficient at getting people with a pen*s in and out with a minimum of fuss so I don't think they're worth removing for the sake of "equality".

 

If you want to use a toilet for other things than peeing and pooing, then I have no solutions for you, but also no sympathy, as that's all I use them for.

 

Gym change rooms are for changing/showering. If these were unisex, too, I'm sure that we'd all have no problem with it (aside from a small percentage that would shrink with time, at most a generation worth of time, as mentioned before). People have enough of an issue seeing similar genitalia in these circumstances with the current setup.

 

The people who care about breasts out for breastfeeding are a dying percentage of the population, imho. They're a tiny vocal percentage and don't have enough influence to change anything and never will.

 

Separate spaces for different genders is just a social construct. If it were unisex everywhere from a young age, nobody would bat an eyelid if we made all current separations unisex. It's only that in our culture we're brought up with separation that it's an issue to make a change in that area, imho.

 

My comments suggest that we should treat them by other means, not by gender separation/discussion. We can go into that further, if you want.

 

Mental health issues should be treated with mental health treatments, not legislation against possible actions of mentally ill people. This subject has a lot of depth, too, if you want to go into it.

 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, so I'll wait for you to provide such extraordinary evidence. I'm confident you won't find anything solid on your points.

 

Ok I'll give you a pointer mate. Look up the ratio of male on female sexual assaults vs the female on female or male in male sexual assaults. Also look up how often mental illness plays a part in sex crimes against children.

 

Then use some common sense to extrapolate those results to a bathroom environment that has exposed genitalia. Then add some mental illness to the mix. 

 

Nothing extraordinary about working that out.

 

So guys, should we allow society to choose their own gender no matter their age or mental faculty, based upon their own private agenda and have grown men and women sharing public toilets with vulnerable children and women based on this decision? 

 

The world is full is sick farks and my answer is a resounding no. 

[k31th]

I know about all of those statistics. They don't take into account under-reporting and over-reporting. In general, with the statistics, you're right. The fact remains you can't legislate against it occurring, though.

 

Mental illness won't be solved by legislation, I know that for sure.

 

To show why your standpoint has no basis in fact: Your idea of "sharing" is irrelevant to a psychopath who'll go into a non-shared space to perform a crime. So those people you're so afraid of will be there no matter what you design your "toilet" system to be.

 

For the rest of us, we should share. For the people who are mentally ill, it's all about diagnosing and treating (how both of those is done is up for a lengthy debate) before they can commit a crime. In that area we (as a society) have a LOT of work to do...

[ROB83R]

I've got a headache....

 

 

what about the opportunistic offenders Keith that will lay in wait in "their" gender specific toilet and then commit a crime? 

Edited 05/01/17 12:38 PM by ROB83R

[Box stock T.]

Transgender and children shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

What a world we live in these days.

Call me an ostrich for stickn my head in the sand but its a fukd up dilemma to be honest. I'm outta here people's

Be good to each other... Chat to ya all another day... 

[k31th]

8 minutes ago, ROB83R said:

what about the opportunistic offenders Keith that will lay in wait in "their" gender specific toilet and then commit a crime? 

Would there be more or less of these in separated vs unisex?

I'm of the opinion that this would happen less in unisex, but it's only an opinion

[arronm]

Havnt read much of this, but if you have a dick you go to the boys to piss. No dick, you go to the girls toilet.  Pretty simple.

[Puffwagon]

22 minutes ago, k31th said:

I know about all of those statistics. They don't take into account under-reporting and over-reporting. In general, with the statistics, you're right. The fact remains you can't legislate against it occurring, though.

 

Mental illness won't be solved by legislation, I know that for sure.

 

To show why your standpoint has no basis in fact: Your idea of "sharing" is irrelevant to a psychopath who'll go into a non-shared space to perform a crime. So those people you're so afraid of will be there no matter what you design your "toilet" system to be.

 

For the rest of us, we should share. For the people who are mentally ill, it's all about diagnosing and treating (how both of those is done is up for a lengthy debate) before they can commit a crime. In that area we (as a society) have a LOT of work to do...

 

I see that there are key points we agree upon that are being separated by definition or pedantry.

 

Legislation needs to exist however that is another issue and I agree that mere words on paper won't stop an ill intentioned individual from drink driving or illicit butt farking.

 

To show why my viewpoint is the best current solution is to point out that we currently segregate the genders and that is societies norm. The fact is that we are separated and I would argue that this does prevent crime due to lack of opportunity.

 

Yes we should share when applicable but that would be rarely,in the changeroom context imo. I can add to fluffs sentiment about change rooms; I'm a dad and a loyal husband, I'm also a normal man and would have a boner from here to Mexico if I shared a room with showering naked women. I can obviously control my urge to run over there and fark them all or start jerking off but it is not a comfortable situation for me or anyone else. There are many people who would not or could not restrain themselves.

Edited 05/01/17 12:59 PM by Puffwagon
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