tab Sucker Moderating Team 32,303 Member For: 20y 9m 21d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 11/12/08 11:01 AM Share Posted 11/12/08 11:01 AM Any email in particular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomchic Just because it is, doesn't mean it should be..... Lifetime Members 14,092 Member For: 20y 5m 3d Gender: Female Location: Noosa QLD Posted 11/12/08 12:34 PM Share Posted 11/12/08 12:34 PM clear as mud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZ2CME Formerly XR6NA Member 3,512 Member For: 19y 2m 16d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 18/12/08 12:17 PM Share Posted 18/12/08 12:17 PM Did I hear right and GM has gone bust in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Sucker Moderating Team 32,303 Member For: 20y 9m 21d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 18/12/08 12:30 PM Share Posted 18/12/08 12:30 PM I think they are all in the poo...shutting down 60-odd factories and waiting on govt handouts before they decide what to do next.Scary stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Sucker Moderating Team 32,303 Member For: 20y 9m 21d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 18/12/08 10:30 PM Share Posted 18/12/08 10:30 PM Forecast for FridayA possible afternoon storm. Moderate NW to W winds before a cooler gusty S/SEchange this evening. A high fire danger.Precis: Possible afternoon stormCity: Max 37Bayside: Max 35You'd think that's Radelaide's forecast wouldn't ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZ2CME Formerly XR6NA Member 3,512 Member For: 19y 2m 16d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 19/12/08 07:49 AM Share Posted 19/12/08 07:49 AM I think they are all in the poo...shutting down 60-odd factories and waiting on govt handouts before they decide what to do next.Scary stuff I'm pretty sure I heard that they didn't end up getting the government handout. I knew they were in trouble but now they are well and truly stuffed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagabond Bored Member Administrator 35,722 Member For: 22y 3m 1d Gender: Male Location: Dé·jà vu Posted 19/12/08 12:39 PM Share Posted 19/12/08 12:39 PM Big 3 might file planned bankruptcyWhite House 'very close' to plan for restructuring automakersBy Jim Puzzanghera and Martin Zimmerman | Tribune Washington Bureau December 19, 2008WASHINGTON - The White House said yesterday that, instead of a financial bailout, it is considering a so-called prepackaged bankruptcy plan for General Motors and Chrysler, a move that many congressional Republicans favor but the automakers and some analysts say could lead to the companies' collapse.Bush administration officials, while still weighing their final set of options, were "very close" to a decision, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said.The White House, hoping to shield the U.S. economy from more damage, pledged this month to help Detroit stay afloat after Congress deadlocked on a bailout.But it was clear that time was growing short. Already, GM, Chrysler and Ford have announced drastic steps to cut costs, including idling plants and slowing production - steps that add to the country's immediate economic woes even though they might be necessary to the companies' ultimate survival. Chrysler said Wednesday that it was closing its 30 factories in the U.S. and Canada for at least a month.In an ordinary prepackaged Chapter 11 bankruptcy, companies meet with creditors and other stakeholders and work out how to restructure debt and make other changes to enable the company to survive. Only then do they go to bankruptcy court, where a judge oversees the execution of the agreed plan.How that would work on the enormous scale of the domestic auto industry - or whether it would work at all - is not clear. And the arguments have been tinged with politics, ideology and opportunities to advance agendas not directly related to the auto industry, such as weakening or preserving unions.Each of the big automakers has billions in liabilities, hundreds of creditors and thousands of retirees. Getting all of these parties to agree on a restructuring plan for GM might be impossible without the oversight of a bankruptcy judge, according to Craig Litherland, a bankruptcy specialist with the law firm Gilbert Oshinsky in Austin, Texas."I don't see how you can do that in a prepackaged bankruptcy," Litherland said. "With their legacy costs, you have tens of thousands of people who would be affected. Outside of bankruptcy court, how do you negotiate with all of those people? Who speaks for them?"He also noted that "prepacks" tend to be a better option when the company's prospects are beginning to improve and creditors have a higher degree of confidence that restructuring will succeed.That's not the case with GM and Chrysler. The U.S. economy is in deep recession, auto sales in November hit their lowest monthly level since 1982, and many analysts expect sales to continue to fall next year.Supporters said a prepackaged bankruptcy would force restructuring of union contracts and other debt because the judge can void existing agreements."Absent such restructuring, we do not believe any amount of money will succeed in saving these companies," seven Republican senators wrote to President George W. Bush this week.But a prepackaged bankruptcy has risks, as well as costs, for taxpayers.If the federal government steps in with money to keep the companies operating through the bankruptcy proceedings - and GM and Chrysler say they are nearly out of operating cash now - taxpayers could be spending more than the $14 billion in short-term emergency loans GM and Chrysler are seeking.Bush said yesterday that he had not decided how to help the automakers, although he has vowed not to let them fail. Many Republicans have been pressuring Bush not to extend loans from the $700 billion financial rescue fund for fear it would set a precedent for helping other troubled industries.http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-b...0,6127083.story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomchic Just because it is, doesn't mean it should be..... Lifetime Members 14,092 Member For: 20y 5m 3d Gender: Female Location: Noosa QLD Posted 19/12/08 12:56 PM Share Posted 19/12/08 12:56 PM wern't GM in trouble wayyyyy before the "economic crisis" ???anddddddddd here in oz Caltex is running out of fuel .. but Miss Sligh assures that there will not be a shortage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Sucker Moderating Team 32,303 Member For: 20y 9m 21d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 20/12/08 12:50 AM Share Posted 20/12/08 12:50 AM GM & Chrysler have taken the loans, Ford hasn't.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1229719823...=googlenews_wsjNice little christmas present.....$17.4B! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blonk Iconoclast Donating Members 4,330 Member For: 20y 4m 19d Gender: Male Location: CH Posted 26/12/08 01:07 AM Share Posted 26/12/08 01:07 AM WIshing everyone a very merry xmas and the best for the new years !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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