The Off Topic Thread.

[Puffwagon]

Don't half arse it mate, link the liveleak clips.

 

I'm sure some folks would get a shock.

[k31th]

4 minutes ago, turbotrana said:

Islamic immigration needs to stop.

To ban an entire religion based on the actions of the fundamentalists is just a short sighted policy. You have a higher percentage chance of choking on your dinner than being killed by a fundamentalist... Also, what percentage of immigrants has been involved in terrorist activity, across the world? It's almost zero.

 

In short, the religion may be condemned to death, but the people who practice it should be welcomed and taught the wrong pathways of the faith in the process and shown a more logical way of life.

 

There's no question the fundamentalists themselves could do with some education as to how wrong they actually are to believe in such easily debunked written word.

[Mrs Jeturbo]

As long as we keep getting our sagans, nyes, tysons, etc that can inspire current and future generations we will be ok 

 

I do agree there is some huge flaws in Islam and especially with the prophet. What I love is that we live in a country where I can say that about Islam, or have criticism of Judaism or Christianity (yes everything is open to criticism in my books) and not be persecuted by the state. In hard line Muslim countries (Saudi Arabia I'm looking at you) I would be severely punished for many of my life choices. 

 

Personally I see the issue as literalism. Islam especially at the moment is in a dark place and I would agree that there is an issue within Islam itself. It's going through what Christianity went through during the crusades except with modern weaponary. 

 

Im uncomfortable with mosques going up as I am with Kingdom Halls, Scientology centres, Hillsong churches. 

 

There is an issue as well at the moment that any criticism of Islam is immediately perceived by the hard left as racist. And that's causing an overreaction from the hard right with their ways of life being changed and their freedoms of speech being compromised. One of the reasons I see trump being so popular. It's an over reaction from the PC Culture we have at the moment. 

 

At what point should the state intervene? I honestly do not know as that's an incredibly dangerous bridge to cross. Once you go to that place you become no better than the thing your banning in the first place

I actually agree 100%

[Puffwagon]

I was joking by the way.

 

Don't link any liveleak stuff, not that I thought anyone would.

 

It is fooked beyond belief and should not be shown on a car forum.

Edited 27/09/16 12:41 PM by Puffwagon
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[MattyP]

I don't think I've ever agreed with Keith so much. 

 

Blanket bans and don't solve anything, education and knowledge is power. 

 

How to defeat an ideology is the 1 million dollar question

[Mrs Jeturbo]

I'm going to have to disagree with you there Fred, and I feel like this is one of my biggest issues with Muhammad. 

 

The fact that the average life expectancy was far less doesn't mean that she was any less developed when she was married off at 9. I don't know how some excuse that. We were dying in the prime of our lives back then, it didn't mean 30 then was 80 now, it is just that 30 was the age you got to and were taken out by disease, wild animals, other humans, etc.

 

I think something a lot of us forget too that there has never been a more peaceful time in history than right now (as in humans killing other humans). 

 

Just everything is reported these days and that warps expectations and the reality of our own macro habitat 

I am not justifying it in terms of the actions... im just saying so many people leave out the fact that it was the norm back then as reproducing as early as possible before death was crucial to survival.
I personally think the thought turns my stomach but also it was the done thing (not just in islamic cultures) to reproduce at a pubescent age so u had 10 years to raise your child before u died type thing. that's not limited to muslims but everyone likes to use it as their main argument against them.

[Puffwagon]

Just now, MattyP said:

How to defeat an ideology is the 1 million dollar question

Teaching people to think for themselves?

 

Eg: Hot Dogs with tomato sauce are the best! Have tomato or die!

 

Freethinker: Maybe they aren't. Maybe I like bbq sauce. Lemme try all the sauces and find my own preference.

[turbotrana]

Muhummad was 62 when he died, his first wife was 65 when she died and was 15 years older than him. He was just a pedophile plain and simple.

[k31th]

2 minutes ago, MattyP said:

defeat an ideology

It's been done before: Educate and give women choice over their reproductive cycle, prevent indoctrination of children (into any religion and/or cult) and provide a fair and balanced education system for everybody and give the kids choice on what to continue learning. Science will win

[Mrs Jeturbo]

To ban an entire religion based on the actions of the fundamentalists is just a short sighted policy. You have a higher percentage chance of choking on your dinner than being killed by a fundamentalist... Also, what percentage of immigrants has been involved in terrorist activity, across the world? It's almost zero.

 

In short, the religion may be condemned to death, but the people who practice it should be welcomed and taught the wrong pathways of the faith in the process and shown a more logical way of life.

 

There's no question the fundamentalists themselves could do with some education as to how wrong they actually are to believe in such easily debunked written word.

I agree..
To clarify im not standing up for muslim belief systems.. and this conversation is a good one... im just sick of everyone acting like redneck racist assholes all over social media when they have 0 knowledge other than reading the reclaim australia party page.

I take islam with the same pinch of salt I do the catholicism. I think theyre both fundamentally flawed in their logic and ideology that theyre both peaceful religions.

Whats the answer in relation to it ... I dont know.

But I agree with keithypoo that banning muslim immigration wont have apositive effect... but reaffirming their law will not be practiced here may.
This is Australia, and without any racism attached to this statement, if you dont like our laws and way of living then you may chose not to live here.
I see nothing wrong with people being a muslim if that's what they chose, but I will not be forced or made to practice it with them nor see their religion forced upon anyone else.

Simples.