The Off Topic Thread.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I wonder how sympathetic the social media/bleeding heart crowd would be if they where caught in 2015 with 7kgs of Ice. People have short memories of how bad the Heroin problem was back in the early Naughties.

[Never had any say Panda]

I'm gonna throw my two bobs in.

Its obviously not gonna be well received but here goes.

Simply put I believe the torture those blokes endured and the rehabilitation they had shown should have been enough to earn them a lifetime stint behind bars.

Obviously I don't agree with drugs.. But I do believe that its takes two to tango. It's very rare someone at some point doesn't actually get a say about drugs.. Yeah they had the potential to harm thousands with 7kg of the stuff but those people have to want it.

Based on the simple fact that drugs are usually a two way street I do believe the death penalty is too harsh.

However. Start talking Kiddy fiddlers and rapists and my tune on the death penalty will change.

I understand fully that those blokes should have known what they were getting into being caught with drugs in bali. But I also believe that if the indo government wants to shoot people for trafficking drugs there should be about a 2 year limit of the appeals process.. 10 years thinking you could die any day now.. I can't think of a worse torture for a person.

What else sh*ts me?

The fact that the media and a large portion of the australian population is turning these people into heroes.. FFS in a year or two we'll probably have UNDERBELLY: THE BALI 9 EDITION or UNDERBELLY: THE CORBY FAMILY PINGAS SPECIAL

These are still criminals (albeit ones I don't think deserved to die after 10 years - instead should have spent the rest of their life in jail), they don't deserve hero status. They shouldn't be repatriated at the government expense. This shouldn't effect our relatinship with indonesia in any way.

These people should be forgotten. Not immortalised for crimes.

[camo86T]

^^^^ right on the money

[Bizkets is Drunk?]

I would have hung my self to not give them the satisfaction of killing me.

[Never had any say Panda]

Biz I would stake money that went through their mind..

[Ralph Wiggum]

Yeah they had the potential to harm thousands with 7kg of the stuff but those people have to want it.

I can see your point in 99% of your post bar this bit. Drugs harm more then just the people that want them. Families of Addicts, not just parents/sibling but children. People affected by crime used to fund habits ie little old ladies bashed in the street for the change in their purses.

The health system and the people that work in it to treat the issues associated with drug addiction, Ie the financial and emotional cost.

I care not for traffickers or Junkies but it goes well beyond that IMHO.

I've had extended families members affected by addiction and the damage done to their wider family and children leaves little room for sympathy for anyone involved in the drug business.

[camo86T]

Or a struggle to the death when they weren't expecting it...maybe even take out a few indos

[Ralph Wiggum]

I don't blame the Indo's one bit. For far too long Australians have treated Bali and It's People like second class citizens. It is not an extension of our country and we have no right to treat it that way.

I would be ashamed to visit Bali and say I was an Aussie especially now our PM has decided to pull our ambassador from Indo as a response to Indo exercising their (well published) Punishment for drug smuggling.

[camo86T]

"For far too long Australians have treated Bali and It's People like second class citizens. It is not an extension of our country and we have no right to treat it that way."

You mean by tourists visiting the country in droves and spending huge amounts of coin? Or maybe aid given for natural disasters and terrorist attacks?

[Rab]

My only issue is with the time it took before the sentence was carried out and the futile glimmers of hope the guys were given along the way - to me that's the real torture.

Not withstanding due process and chances of appeal etc - a bullet in the back of the head once sentencing was over would have been far cleaner.