Global Warming Nonsense

[hypnodoc]

Very interesting to see 31,000 scientists including 9000 Ph.D.s have now signed a petition about man made global warming, you have to wonder why they can't get heard, and why we are going to get robbed blind by this so called Carbon Tax.

Link below

http://www.petitionproject.org/index.html

Edited 13/07/08 01:58 PM by hypnodoc

[SCRIBR]

that agreement will only work if everybody is on it... it will hurt Australia!

[sixfan]

Well,

Thank goodness, Kevie has found the solution and is going to save the planet for us.

It's an elegant piece of legislation and slots in perfectly with his welfare, health care and workplace reform policies!

Only a Labor government would have had the foresight to solve these problems in such a way;

Make the people who are earning above-average pay for it.

How do I become a "Working family?" I don't want to work extra hours, pay more and more tax, pay for my healthcare

or get slugged by Carbon credit induced inflation...

I want to join this countries new elite class too!

[tab]

I slept quite well last night too thanks to the Carbon Pollution Reduction Greenpaper.....or whatever the f*ck they have called it.

Have you got your submission ready Fourfan? "We want to know what businesses think of it before we actually tell you about the $'s involved"

At least our corner of the globe will behave itself now, doesn’t matter what the other 99% is up to does it?

[dule]

Most of the developed nations are behaving (except USA), but they got to get china and India to behave too, after all they have a third (or something) of worlds population.

And by the way, I'm a little skeptical about all this global worming stuff, there is evidence for and against it. But do you all suggest we should do nothing unless we are sure we are f*cking things up and then start acting when it's too late?

I prefer for something to be done even if global warming is not man made then realizing 20-30-40 years down the track that it is man made but we haven't done anything about it when we are already fuked.

People just choose to believe in what's more convenient for them, "hey why should I believe in it if it will means I pay an extra 5 cents for petrol".

I <3 Bananas 5 cents (or whatever it is) I rather spend the money and learn I didn't have to then not spend it and learn that it's too late to do anything.

[XR06T]

another tax goddamit......

[hypnodoc]

that's exactly it, another tax. It worries me when many of the worlds top scientists can't be heard above the emotionally inspired fear about something that isn't even real. Certainly not real enough to start charging billions of dollars in fees.

How does the old statement go

"All of the politicians lie to all of the people all of the time"

*beep* Them All

[groper]

that was a very biased report you found there doc... and published by the country on the verge of recession desperately trying to save their energy gluttonous ecconomy any way they can

I could link you to a dozen other "reports" with quotes from scientists who hold the polar opposite view... I think the point is nobody can say for sure what effect we are having on our climate... we havnt even the knowledge to even get the weather forecast right for next week let alone climate change...

but yeah, its gonna be too late to do anything if we all say "shell be right" now and find out in 50 years that we were wrong... oops were dead...

I dont have enough info to make up my mind on whether I believe it or not... in the end I dont really care either as im only 1 person in 5 billion... if I were bill gates id feel differently though...

[tmac450]

It just shows how wrong we've had it.

We thought tax was a bad thing, but as it turns out it is a miracle worker:

1. The planet's doomed, fix it with more tax

2. We have too many underaged binge drinkers, faix it with higher taxes

3. We have too many people dying on the roads, fix it by increasing fines (which are just taxes).

I completely agree we could clean up our act on polution, and I agree that there is climate change, what I don't agree with is that climate change is man made, nor do I beleive that there is anything we can do to alter what the planet wants to do with its climate.

When you look at the actual evidence, there is absoloutly no actual evidence to support the claim that climate change is man made, it is only theory, of which has varied on a regular basis as certain aspects are proven wrong. The biggest one being the fact that the raise in man made carbon emissions actually doesn't co-inside with the change in climate. And that a raise in carbon has been shown to be a natural occurance in every planetry temperature rise (the warmer it gets, the more carbon the ocean emits). And the arctic melting has always resulted in global cooling due to the massive influx of cold water and a changing of the ocean currents, etc.

The evidence that does exist is history, which shows time and time again that climate change is a natural occurance, and that carbon is a natural and virtually harmless gas, of which the planet produces naturally in far greater quantities than man ever could (the last volcanic erruption produced 400 years worth of man's total output).

The problem this creates is, because the hype is around carbon emissions (most likely the wrong area), this is what gets the attention. Even if some of the climate change is atributable to man, it is inarguably going to happen anyway (as histroy has proven), therefore we are wasting valuable time and resources doing the wrong thing. This in turn will most likely jepordise the survival of the human race. For example, we could be preparing now for alternate lifestyles, how do we produce enough food, fuel, electricity, etc when it's too hot or too cold for farming, etc.

A carbon trading scheme is pointless. Instead there should be tax breaks for those introducing new inovations which go towards our future survival. If done right, a reduction in polution, etc will be a natural bi-product of the changes. Unfortunatly, people are only too easily mislead by the powers that be, who have too long been more interested in their own importance and monetry gains, rather than the greater good.

[tab]

And the funny thing is they are pouring money in to technologies that either don't exist or unproven. I.e. clean coal technology....lets pump it all underground. F*ck knows what we do when that's full

  groper said:

that was a very biased report you found there doc...

Find me a report that isn’t; any report will always be slanted according to the author’s agenda.

Although....check out some of the pretty graphs in there though that prove climate change has been happening long before the increase in carbon emissions.

Figure 3: Arctic surface air temperature compared with total solar irradiance as measured by sunspot cycle amplitude, sunspot cycle length, solar equatorial rotation rate, fraction of penumbral spots, and decay rate of the 11-year sunspot cycle (8,9). Solar irradiance correlates well with Arctic temperature, while hydrocarbon use (7) does not correlate.

Figure 11: Global sea level measured by surface gauges between 1807 and 2002 (24) and by satellite between 1993 and 2006 (25). Satellite measurements are shown in gray and agree with tide gauge measurements. The overall trend is an increase of 7 inches per century. Intermediate trends are 9, 0, 12, 0, and 12 inches per century, respectively. This trend lags the temperature increase, so it predates the increase in hydrocarbon use even more than is shown. It is unaffected by the very large increase in hydrocarbon use.