New Hoon Laws

[Slymeat]

So if I do a burnout then drive past one police car who was looking the other way does that then mean that when the second patrol pulls me over they can’t confiscate my car?

Tab the answer to the first question is definately no. In all occupations police included there are specialists some police are not as good with traffic as others and some are a bit more forgiving. It has been a standing order in my area from the commander that all cars doing burnouts are to be given no leway and there car must be confiscated, removes any question, if a police officer gives a caution warning etc etc and the commander finds out they have to then please explain ( please is not often the word he uses though ). It is a big thing seizing a persons car and the money it costs is enormous I think personally that cars doing over 45 over the speed limit should be seized at all for a bit of parity. By all means if you win the court case and the officer giving the ticket/ seizing the car was acting immoraly illeagaly etc etc go for cost and if you them there will be another of those please explains except using even stronger language, there are of course checks and balances. We all hear stories of the good and the bad and god help me I have seen both but you should try being told to do something and then getting critisised because you have followed the letter of the law. This is a bit of a ramble but I am trying to remain civilised, some of the drivers out there are not as good as they believe they are and if you tell a person of authority to get f*cked they will but only after they show you there dissaproval in there own special way. My opinion only.

[tab]

Thanks for that Sly, my question was just somewhat of an analogy though. You raise very valid points and shouldn't have a fear of 'rambling', as it's fantastic to get your perspective on things

I think there’s quite a bit of an alarmist attitude in this thread at the moment, providing the law to offer the capability for officers on the street to do these things is different to expecting every single letter of the law being brought down on every occasion. Most members of the force that I’ve dealt with are very decent people, but provoke them or make their jobs harder and it’s usually a different story.

I’m sure if people properly read any act or regulation (traffic related or otherwise) that we have to adhere to they would absolutely sh*t themselves!

At the end of the day though it’s the morons that get voted in to represent us that are doing this, not the poor buggers paid to enforce their absurd ideas.

[Lit351]

And your posts were deleted because they contained slander.

Yes it most certainly does, and like I mentioned in the PM to you, after you made a complaint in regards to my actions, seeking for you to point out where I had supposedly committed the immortal sin you couldn’t follow through with the accusation.

'Debate the topic instead of just mouthing off like an idiot; you’re just embarrassing yourself'

Forgot abouth this one? Im sure I or others wrote this stuff you'd be deleting your lil heart away. And stop PM me, I prefer a more open and public environment.

[xrdreaming]

That is it for the tennis match between Tab and the others. Any further posts that do not stay on topic will be deleted from this thread.

Lit351 I have not removed your post above as I do not want you claiming that I am censoring you but that is the last post in this thread that will not be on topic.

Tab is using PM as he knows that carring this on in the open forum will lead to more arguments. Please do not try to continue this slaning match in the open forum, that goes for all parties involved.

[Johnny G]

So anyway - after that light and happy interlude - my first PRACTICAL experience with "hooning laws" was an absolute crack.

Centre lane of traffic going up the hill on KG Rd toward Brisbane city, stopped about a car length behind a gravel truck at a red light. Had been raining over night - but damp in the gutters. Truck starts to roll backward, so I duck into the left T2 lane. Light goes green and I accelarate - and yes - lose traction and go a tad sideways - as I get back into the centre lane out of the T2. Next thing, Const. Plonk on his bike is behind me and we pull over for a chat. He was sitting in a side street.

Might add here that I have all my points, and have not been booked for 20 years on any driving offence. How to be cleverer than them is my motto....

So - after this copper gets over the fact that he has a mature age gent in suit and tie inside the Octane T, he asks why I was driving in such a manner (thought he was going to ping me for being in a T2 - but .... noooo). My reply of course - as you get to learn in sales, was to answer the question with a question. "What manner?" "You - sir - made the car lose traction and had to use opposite lock to correct this driving manner, so it was therefore out of control" were his exact words. Nothing about speeding, nothing about T2 one person up, or the fact that at no time was the vehicle out of control. He then proceeded to recite the new hooning laws, and that this sort of driving manouvre was contravened by this law. My explanation of "being sensible enough to avoid an accident by a truck rolling several metres backwards, and trying to get out of the T2 lane as quickly as possible - thus causing the car to become a little loose on returning to the centre lane" were just ignored. Const Plonk then said I was "officially warned" and - wait for it - "off you go". I have no idea what "official warning" means, whether that entails a note against the number plate I doubt - but he certainly never at any stage asked for my licence. No booking. Just "off you go". And yes - thanks Dave - it was great to meet you.

These rules are written into law with the express purpose of being tried and tested to set precedent.... and those cases are still taking place now. One was recently thrown out of court in Brisbane, as the supposed offender (causing exessive smoke from tyres) had been returned to his place of work in the back of a paddy wagon after the car was towed. Firstly, no proof of the offence had been tabled, and secondly, being put in a police lock up vehicle implies the person was arrested, whih was not the case. Police withdrew all charges after the defence QC entered the court room. Expenses, I believe, were against the Crown.

I'm glad this is a robust discussion. It needs to be - and we all need to be aware of our rights in this case, and - more importantly - how badly an upset Constable may end up interpreting the law when applying it to you. After all - how many laws do they have to deal with, and how many interpretations do they hear in the lunch room.

It's all a matter of timing and luck, would you think?

[senna_T]

the thing I get from johnny's post is that, like it has been said, police officers can be discretional, it just depends on the day they have had - they are humans at th end of the day. I mean as far as losing your car for a chirpy, ome on, johnny had his car sideways and the cop didn't call in backup to take his car

[Kimberley Scott]

Its all BS Johnny drives with traction control on and his valet tune, dont fall for it.

Scotty

[senna_T]

[Dagabond]

I think there’s quite a bit of an alarmist attitude in this thread at the moment

More the topic thats alarmist...hands up if your suddenly worried about getting your car taken off you?

There job is done, live in fear.

[jsmith]

Yep, me too Dags.