Cooler Comparison

[senna_T]

Ok, I don't want any theories, or "I got this and that from this cooler.." or "this type of core is better because..."

None of that!

I beleive all the companies concerned are happy to have their products tested, my car is there to be used, I don't care if I'm there or not.

Now what I want to know is, will someone be able organise a dyno and workshop with a spare hoist for a day so we can do this test and settle it once and for all

One day, one car, one dyno, one result - seems easy doesn't it?

Mods, I'm not trying to stir up arguements, I just want people to have the results they all want to see...

Cheers,

Pat

Edited 02/03/08 01:49 AM by Dagabond

[Superdan]

Agreed,

As much as fun it was watching that 'other' thread unravel, there was one main point that seemed to keep popping up. A showdown with unbiased findings, controls (car, mods, dyno, temperatures, tuner etc), and unfiltered results is the answer.

Who will step up and organise this?

[Process West]

To really test things properly it needs to be done on a circuit with data logging.

This way the intercoolers can really be put through their paces with extended full throttle runs..not just an 8 sec dyno pull.

Still, Im up for any test.

Kev

Edited 17/01/08 04:33 AM by Process West

[RAP1D]

Hey Pat,

Thanks for offering your car mate, its a perfect example to use for this.

I agree with testing at the track would give better, real world results.

As a few of you know, I take my car to Wakefield for track days so my intercooler gear gets a regular pounding.

But these cars pretty much will always be making and recording power levels on the dyno, during tuning.

So I feel 4 dyno runs, straight after each other allowing the heatsoak to really build up will give a good view of how the coolers perform under a "tuning type" enviroment.

This way we can see how heat build up effects the coolers and how they combat it, and what effect it has on the cars power... does it stay steady after 4 runs, or does it start to drop

as heat builds up...

The car could have a basic set up...

No intake ( reduce restrictions on breathing )

Stock hot side piping.

Stock plenum.

Cold side piping would be as per what is sold with the cooler in its kit

And running on the tune that is in Pats car. ( we can see if one system free's up and raises boost )

that's something to think about anyway.

Cheers

Chris

[Kimberley Scott]

I pledge $50.00 towards making this a reality.

Scotty

[straughsberry]

Hey Pat,

Thanks for offering your car mate, its a perfect example to use for this.

I agree with testing at the track would give better, real world results.

As a few of you know, I take my car to Wakefield for track days so my intercooler gear gets a regular pounding.

But these cars pretty much will always be making and recording power levels on the dyno, during tuning.

So I feel 4 dyno runs, straight after each other allowing the heatsoak to really build up will give a good view of how the coolers perform under a "tuning type" enviroment.

This way we can see how heat build up effects the coolers and how they combat it, and what effect it has on the cars power... does it stay steady after 4 runs, or does it start to drop

as heat builds up...

The car could have a basic set up...

No intake ( reduce restrictions on breathing )

Stock hot side piping.

Stock plenum.

Cold side piping would be as per what is sold with the cooler in its kit

And running on the tune that is in Pats car. ( we can see if one system free's up and raises boost )

that's something to think about anyway.

Cheers

Chris

I think this is probably easier than data logging on a track day but hey, if someone can organise tarck data logging, even better.

Pat is willing to put up his car, the sponsors putting up gear, and various members willing to donate time and expertise, then whatever funds (or anything else) anyone can provide to go towards this would be greatly appreciated by all I'm sure.

Cmon fellas, lets put this one to bed, once and for all...

Resources thus far donated:

CAR:

Pat (thanks heaps!)

IC & Piping:

Process West

Rapid Systems

your name here!

your name here!

CASH

EGOXRT: $100

Kimberley Scott:

$50

straughsberry:

$100

Mechanicals

Hoist / Dyno / Worskshop:

Dyno operator:

Mechanic:

[ZAP]

I do not see this test happening, but if it does, will it give a definitive result ? I doubt it.

If you want to test coolers, get x amount of cars with different brand coolers. Stick a temp probe on the cold side and another on the hot side.

Drive around a track/drags or wherever, just make sure it is fairly consistant and determin the heatloss average across each cooler.

This will tell you that x brand cooler COOLS the best. This is what I think most people are after. As to what power level each would support is subjective and more dependant on the power and how it is tuned rather than the cooler.

I can run 300rwkw through a stock cooler, or through a 1200hp one, the main difference is how well the larger cooler cools the inlet charge.

My bet is that most coolers are similar and will result in a minor difference.

[straughsberry]

I agree. Most peoples power levels are achieved at what, say 12-18psi?. It's already proven that at these levels, even the poorer quality IC's on the market flow well and have a small amount of pressure drop. I've seen some data that suggests at 15psi, even the poorer quality Chinese cores loose less than 1psi. So yes, I think most people are wanting to see how these coolers actually cool. So if a test can be conducted that allows heat soak to well and truly set in, then we should have a reasonable idea about how the various coolers actually cool.

I also agree that most coolers will perform close to each other, but I'm also betting there will be some interesting results if we can get to test a wider variety. Any chance of people like APS, PWR (Nizpro cooler?) and Plazmaman supplying their coolers? Worth doing a stock F6 for all those guys who run one?

Edited 17/01/08 03:32 AM by Dagabond

[seventytwo]

A post made today, you gentlemen may be interested in.

http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/index.ph...st&p=621641

[straughsberry]

Thanks man. I have read this before on their forum. It is definitely very interesting. Some may ask "why don't they just publish their data"? But we know where that would go. More reason why we should get these independent tests conducted by non-partial 3rd parties. It won't be the be-all and end-all answer, but it will go a long way toward putting it to rest. At least until a new new cooler comes out.