New Speed Camera

[Velvet Glove]

As a copper I see these things as ridiculous. When someone gets charged with speeding the actual speed they were doing at the time has to be proven, not their average speed. There would have to be a change in the law here as well. So what if I got in my car and drove and got pinged by camera 1. Then we change drivers between cameras 1 and 2 and 'someone' gets the fine. Who gets it ?

This opens up a can of worms that the people in government will not realise until EVERYBODY who disputes one of these things gets away with it.

There's no better deterrent than extra Police cars, and I'm sure the money would be better spent there. When the 'revenue raising' argument comes up, things like this make it harder and harder to argue that it isnt.

Once the known cameras are found they will either be (a) smashed by someone or (B) people will avoid the section of road. Riddle me this. Drive at 160, stop for an hour for a feed, then continue on your merry way at 160. Your 'average' will be well under the speed limit if we're talking about a long distance, but sit on 118 for the whole thing and u get pinged. I'm glad I dont live in Victoria, they have taken this sort of thing to an artform.

Cant agree with your ciggie argument though. People dont just have their last puff and drop dead on the spot. They have lung cancer or emphesyma or other diseases for years, ones easily avoided by not smoking. They are the bain of the health system. Tops it off when you see a clown light up after open heart surgery. I'd rather see the money for that go to someone who deserves it. Statistics clearly prove that smoking has been at the forefront of causes of death in this country for years. Some people just dont get the hint

[richdave]

Somebody get a pipe cutter.......

seriously this is a farce, but wait there is probably more......(VIC only) your eTag could give the pollies another way to "ping" you by the same method :biggun:

First the state govenrments became adicted gambling revenue...now its road tax by stealth.

BTW anyone game to challenge their next speeding fine for being 3kph over the limit? given the ADR for car speedos is 10%, and that is a federal regulation (law??) surely that would have precedence over state laws.

Would make an interesting case - you gotta drive to within 3% of the speed limit (assuming 100kph zone) and your car speedo may only be accurate to within 10kph

[saleen]

This is a rough calculation before anyone bites my head off. But feel free to correct some figures if you think necessary.

Cost of cameras = $2,000,000

Minimum fine = $200(approx)

= 10,000 fines to be issued before cameras pay for themselves.

Guessing approximately 15 fines issued per day.

=667 days or 22 months for cameras to pay for themselves.

Remember this is based on MINIMUM $200 fines!!!!

After that its all PROFIT! PROFIT! PROFIT.

By the way, when was the last accident caused by speed on dual

carriageway? (this is a serious question) Cause there wouldn't be many.

Rob

[BlueXR6Turbo]

What's next? Using satellites to monitor car speeds? Oh, s**t, I hope I didn't give them any ideas there.

Saleen, I reckon you've been very conservative with your figures there. I think it would be a good bet that on a road as busy as the Hume Fwy they'd get a lot more than 15 fines per day, especially with Victoria's ludicrous 3km/h leeway.

I have this picture in my head of a queue of cars parked on the side of the road just before the second camera waiting for time to pass to lower their average speed!

[cvanxr]

Saleen1, Not saying your calculations are out, just that some of that money will have to go to maintain the system. The more upset people get with it the more it will get trashed. I am not advocating for that, but I won't be sad to hear it. Not that the cost of running the cameras will even come close to the revenue that will be raised.

They have had this system operating in the UK for years now. (I don't know what the tolerences are) Despite the cameras being smashed, burnt down etc. the govt. over there persist with it. It is a F#%*#d system, as shown by velvetgloves maths exercise, but will be here to stay. I for one travel up and down the Hume a bit, I think it is time to break out my map and see some alternate roads and towns for a change.

[plonky]

The Safety Cam system in NSW can already do this for light vehicles, but it isn't. I would speculate that one of the car haters at the RTA mentioned that more revenue could be raised and some brown nose has run with it.

VG is correct in saying that there would have to be broadening in the legislation, however existing legislation would mandate that a formal demand is placed on the car owner to nominate a driver at a particular point where excess speed could be proved.

It wouldn't take much for this legislation to pass throught the house unopposed!

[Dagabond]

Rob

First post:

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He said 38 people died and 418 were injured on the Hume Freeway between between Craigieburn and Wodonga in the 12 months to June 30 last year.

Mind you I'd like to see the statistics on how many of those were actualy speed related.

[BlueXR6T]

I can see the Maccas near Wang being quite busy just to kill some time!

[Velvet Glove]

  plonky said:

The Safety Cam system in NSW can already do this for light vehicles, but it isn't. I would speculate that one of the car haters at the RTA mentioned that more revenue could be raised and some brown nose has run with it.

VG is correct in saying that there would have to be broadening in the legislation, however existing legislation would mandate that a formal demand is placed on the car owner to nominate a driver at a particular point where excess speed could be proved.

It wouldn't take much for this legislation to pass throught the house unopposed!

Granted u have some good points there, but the law now requires Police to say exactly where and when a speed occurs. No between times, no between areas. The example being that a driver drove at 100km/h in a 60km/h zone at 1030 on the 13th of september on Smith Street, wherever.

The law at the moment (Australian Road Rules) only requires someone to exceed the speed limit. But the Courts require a little more detail than that. If an owner is aksed to nominate a driver, all that driver then need do is go to Court and plead not guilty and I can virtually guarantee that there will be enormous problems proving the speed, especially if the person admits to driving a small % of the trip. They can be mandated to nominate a driver, not a speed, the onus is on the prosecution to prove date, place, time and jurisdiction of the speed, as well as the speed

Undoubtably Victoria will lead the way here and be the only state that has it. All the other states have some sort of speed camera but the tolerances are a lot greater than the 3km/h (??) you get down there. 10km/h is a reasonable one as far as I'm concerned. If you blatantly exceed that your asking for trouble.

[NT TURBO]

Lets face it cameras mass produced aren't much more expense than outdoor lighting, Sooooo, I propose a camera on every light pole in NSW and Vic and you wont need police roaming around with guns and the road toll should be zero (if a few cameras reduce the toll, plastered everywhere they should totally eliminate the road toll)(Just trial it down south make sure it works!). Just think of the immaculate hospitals and universities you could have gee then what would they do with the medicare levy and hex? :lol: