tmac450 Member 1,650 Member For: 18y 3m 27d Gender: Male Location: NSW Posted 09/10/07 03:06 AM Share Posted 09/10/07 03:06 AM The HSVs are only good because the modifications allowed are slanted towards the V8s (particularly the Holdens who get 'special' rules to make them competative).It just doesn't give a real world example of production car racing. In the real world the Phoons would kick arse in the big barge arse sedan class, while evos and the like would take outright honours.True production car racing should be standard factory components with allowances for ECU modifications (due to that aspect being almost impossible to police), springs (for safety) and exhausts (not manifolds or headers). And no special rules for different manufacturers (a few years back the RX7s were unbeatable, but rule changes directed at them specifically have made them uncompetative and in most cases slower than a stocker).Turbo boosting would then be naturally governed by component strength, and we'd be given a more realistic look at what production cars can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F6 UTE - Track Bound EVO III - Member 3,367 Member For: 20y 16d Gender: Male Location: Strapped in and holding on Posted 09/10/07 05:58 AM Share Posted 09/10/07 05:58 AM The commentator ( one of 'em ) was a d!ck.Kings' Evo was behind the GTS down Conrod, he commented the Evo was getting a 'tow' in the slipstream, and the big hp of the gts was better suited for the track, especially that section and the Evo was only good for corners..So, King passes the GTS around the bottom of the mountain, and said commentator opens his gob. "He ( King), just won't have the HP to keep in front up mountain straight" King actually level pegs up Mountain straight and keeps his nose in fornt!! Then he pulls out a beauty....... " Now I don't want to harp, but I probably will, wait till the big v8 shows the power advantage down conrod"So, King pulls AWAY from the GTS down conrod.!! Not another word said!! Biased a$$holes.. I was loving it.. Till he popped a tyre.. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrunks Member 665 Member For: 20y 5m 21d Location: Gold Coast Posted 09/10/07 10:59 AM Share Posted 09/10/07 10:59 AM If they were purely off the the showroom floor with no mods other than exhaust & suspension, the HSV's would be killing everything around Bathurst!Put simply they have a huge swept volume advantage over anything Ford has!Until Ford can produce a 6 Litre 300+ KW machine they will have no chance in thsi format, especially around the Bathurst.CheersRuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac450 Member 1,650 Member For: 18y 3m 27d Gender: Male Location: NSW Posted 09/10/07 11:04 PM Share Posted 09/10/07 11:04 PM Rubbish. The EVOs and STIs would flog them, and an F6 would give them a shake-up too. Especially if it was just exhaust mods where a turbo's benefits would be far greater than that of a V8. The turbos would also have a huge torque and power to weight advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley Scott www.australianflag.org.au Donating Members 6,763 Member For: 19y 5m 14d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 09/10/07 11:14 PM Share Posted 09/10/07 11:14 PM Mate with the new stronger bottom ends, all FPV would have to do is release a decent R Spec F6, with the boost wound up an few notches. Good bye 6 Lt V8 Muscle. I have loved V8's all my life, would not own a modern day one (Aussie Product), much rather a decent forced induction vehicle anyday.But I dont think we will see this from FPV, in todays climate with Climate change (Ithink its aload of by the way) such a big agenda, I am suprised that Expensive Daewoo have not copped more flak for still producing them.My thoughts only.Scotty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrunks Member 665 Member For: 20y 5m 21d Location: Gold Coast Posted 09/10/07 11:52 PM Share Posted 09/10/07 11:52 PM Rubbish. The EVOs and STIs would flog them, and an F6 would give them a shake-up too. Especially if it was just exhaust mods where a turbo's benefits would be far greater than that of a V8. The turbos would also have a huge torque and power to weight advantage.LOL, An F6 has no chance in hell & you have no idea what you're talking about!All the advantage for torque delivery is from 2000 RPM, they'd never see the advantage in a cicuit race other than getting off the line, which they would be gobbled up by the AWD's anyway!Anyway you can dream on about it, but the fact is the HSV has the runs on the board & was very strong at Bathurst as you would have seen on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senna_T Forged Member Lifetime Members 15,818 Member For: 17y 10m 24d Gender: Male Location: SW Sydney Posted 10/10/07 12:22 AM Share Posted 10/10/07 12:22 AM I'm split in this opinion, I think the typhoon would take it to the hsv's in power delivery, but unfortunately our cars are too high and can't hold the same corner speeds as commodores, the EVO is the car to have in that series, plain and simple, it is a road registered tarmac rally weapon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac450 Member 1,650 Member For: 18y 3m 27d Gender: Male Location: NSW Posted 10/10/07 12:33 AM Share Posted 10/10/07 12:33 AM LOL, An F6 has no chance in hell & you have no idea what you're talking about!All the advantage for torque delivery is from 2000 RPM, they'd never see the advantage in a cicuit race other than getting off the line, which they would be gobbled up by the AWD's anyway!Anyway you can dream on about it, but the fact is the HSV has the runs on the board & was very strong at Bathurst as you would have seen on TV.What I saw was a little 2l, 4cyl EVO giving the modified HSVs a spanking until it had a flat. It is you who is dreaming.Considering the Holdens are allowed to run strengthened gearboxes and diffs (because the standard ones aren't up to racing), as well as unlimited ECU mods (turbos are restricted on boost), and all other in the field have to run standard running gear, I'd say there's not much that would'nt give them a decent run given a level playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGENT ORANGE F6 Phoon ----- MISH!! Member 348 Member For: 17y 10m 10d Gender: Male Location: BRISBANE Posted 13/11/07 01:37 PM Share Posted 13/11/07 01:37 PM Holdens been given all the chances of winning, they put more weight in the evos and they still kill everything. face it they are a natural weapon, built to be a streetable tarmac rally car. I think with more devolpment the F6 will be more competitive next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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