Just Been Snipered

[SavageF6]

As did mine. Its the PC ----> box transfer that's greatly reduced.

[Headsex]

As it stands, there is only a few advantages.

1) can read tunes. I know there is a certain influx of tuners who are going to buy the system due to their inability of using the current system. So there is going to a a lot of tunes ripped off.

This will also expose a lot of poor tuners.

I personally don't care if my IP I've used in the tune gets ripped off, because I know they still will need to understand how it works before transfering it to their customers vehicles. Its been like this with the ls1s for years.

As I've had the ability to read tunes for quite some time know using another product, I've first hand already seen the poor tunes a lot of these "workshops" are putting out. Damn where do I start on what their doing wrong..

2) competition in thr market is going to make the pricing come down more.. Or rather I expect will push tuners profit margins up.

It is true that the sniper software reviels more tables than the capa software does, but coming from working with jerry in the development, it was decided the ford pcm is already complicated enough to pyt extra tables in which would confuse the tuner even more. Jerry put in every table he believes the tuner will need to do a excelant job of tuning. As I've seen various of the hidden tables I tend to agree. But if you think there is a table you require (shown in sniper but not in capa) and you think you need it to tune, request it on the sct forum. And chances are it will be available in the next update.

3) it is known in the us that the sniper software eerases the cal area only and reflashes that, resulting in approx a 40sec flash on the ba and slightly quicker on the bf. As it stands the bf already is quicker because its only 1mb instead of 1.4mb in the ba, and all is flash is internal n fast to the processor.

You need to remember that the sniper box still recommends you flash in 2 steps, once to the box, then the box to the car. I believe you can program pass thru, but its not recommended (or supported yet??)

The xcal2 is usb so transfering from the pc to xcal is greatly improved in speed to the xcal1 which is serial.

At the end of the day, the end customers aint going to sell their capa box and jump on the sniper band wagon, it will mainly be new ford owners having to decide between both products, where most features are invisible to the end user, but moreso benefit the tuner.

I can see when sniper release the bf 6speed support, a number of bf owners change however.

So at the end of the day, capa owns the market. If your thinking of selling your capa software to use the sniper product your essentially having to turn away the existing market who already own boxes.

So this benefit to the tuners has turned to a downside as they have to pay license fees for both products once sniper boxes start hitting thr streets.

Danny

[SavageF6]

Thanks for the post Danny, good info.

I don't understand the ins and outs, but is there any problem/sacrifice with Sniper only flashing the CAL area of the ECU?

Edited 05/08/07 03:21 AM by Spruce

[Headsex]

Thanks for the post Danny, good info.

I don't understand the ins and outs, but is there any problem/sacrifice with Sniper only flashing the CAL area of the ECU?

I've tried to be as unbiased as I could. Sure I welcome competition but having 2 flash boxes in the market means 2 products tuners need to purchase. And with the pricing model for both products, it makes it harder for tuners, and the end user.

The reflash of the cal area is not a problem, its a benefit to the sniper product. Quicker speed programming as it doesn't reprogram the entire rom

There are another 2 products that will hit the scene soon... can u imaging that? 4 products workshops are going to have to support if they all had flash boxes??

Imaging being a highly reputable workshop, having a customer come to you because of your reputation and having to turn them away because they have a sniper box when you only have the capa software. Who misses out? The workshop or the customer?

Realisticly going to a "passthru" programming cable system like the ls1 boys have had for years is the way the scene needs to go.. But this flash box has got many people addicted.. Multiple tunes, being able to fool ford warentee by flashing std tune back in etc etc..

The market for us is changing, from a tuner and a customer point of view.. And if your a reputable workshop you have to be careful

Danny

[SavageF6]

I see what you mean. Seems its a more complicated situation than some people are letting on.

In all honesty, I just look forward to the day I can roll back into Melbourne, as get some PI controller boost tuning from your good self. I'd be happy with that.

[ratter]

Thanks for the post Danny

It's interesting about the extra features of the sniper over the edit, as I have been trying to get info on exactly what the extra features are, but have not been getting any feedback.

I understand that the extra features that SCT have have not opened, may not be necessary for our tuning and maybe that's what Sniper are basing their claims on, but if they are not needed, I guess we don't need them, We wont know until we can see what they they are.

[Dagabond]

Realisticly going to a "passthru" programming cable system like the ls1 boys have had for years is the way the scene needs to go.. But this flash box has got many people addicted.. Multiple tunes, being able to fool ford warentee by flashing std tune back in etc etc..

I must be to old school or something as I cant wait for that day....drive in drive out with a tune, fck this in out shite gimme a tune, shove the overpriced theatrics (in my eyes) up ya clacker and let me go.

Ah for the days of whackin in a cam, up the jets in the Holley, a little port here a little port there, tweak the dizzie, and be off with you!!!

[Headsex]

Thanks for the post Danny

It's interesting about the extra features of the sniper over the edit, as I have been trying to get info on exactly what the extra features are, but have not been getting any feedback.

I understand that the extra features that SCT have have not opened, may not be necessary for our tuning and maybe that's what Sniper are basing their claims on, but if they are not needed, I guess we don't need them, We wont know until we can see what they they are.

theres a few I can think of in talking with jerry..

one being the usec peiod of the wastegate solenoid.. why would you want this period to be changed in result of burning out the solenoid..

there are a few extra spark tables, I believe there is one based on CAT temp for cold starts.. personally shouldnt need to be touched as ford designed it to fire off the CATS asap during cold startup.

but believe me when I say we have all the tables we need to get a excelant result in the tunes..

although there;s that pesky "torque table" which is broken.... AGAIN

danny.

[Headsex]

I must be to old school or something as I cant wait for that day....drive in drive out with a tune, fck this in out sh*te gimme a tune, shove the overpriced theatrics (in my eyes) up ya clacker and let me go.

Ah for the days of whackin in a cam, up the jets in the Holley, a little port here a little port there, tweak the dizzie, and be off with you!!!

well, one of them is 2 week away.. like it has been for a while.. and the otherone.. Unsure.. but I cant talk about that one with very much detail as ive been held at arms length..

one of them has a flash box as well to cater for those who want boxes.. but both have direct passthru cable programming.

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