Haneef - Should He Be Allowed Back ?

[JimmyXR6T04]

the thing is, the AFP and all police forces have a duty to investigate these sorts of allegations to the fullest of their ability. They had to release him on a few technicalities by the looks of it, but so what? it doesn't mean he's innocent.

There's a lot of little things that suggest he may be guilty... now here in lies the major problem. What IF the AFP and other police forces DIDN'T do a single thing about him, because they were scared they may not get a conviction, and that would reflect bad police work.. so instead, they simply let him go on his daily business, only to discover several weeks later he was involved in a major attack. Once the public finds out that he killed 30 or so people, and the AFP had "minor" evidence but didn't detain him, what do you think the public would think then?

Sure he got dragged through a lot of sh*t, but so do many other people. I'd much rather the AFP look into all these types of cases to the utmost of their ability.

Unfortunately, in this day and age, it's all too necessary to arrest/detain people of interest where slight evidence exists. It's much better to be safe, and thorough when dealing with suspected terrorists.

You have to remember that the AFP deal with all other police forces around the world. The job they have isn't easy, and it'll never be straight forward or clear cut.

From the evidence put forward, I believe there was more then enough reason to suspect him!!

[rhys86]

Tricky issues like this really annoy me.

Firstly the govt will never release 100% of all evidence, findings, testimony and facts to the public in case it impedes any related investigations that might be affected.

This alone makes any correct judgement by the public impossible, once you factor in the myriad of privacy laws/policies + leaks from the trial that turn into chinese whisper-like rumours then the whole thing becomes a shambles where public opinion can turn based on one sensationalist headline..

Personally I think a Proactive govt is better than a lackadaisical one, even if they do make errors in judgement

I totally agree but all in all I think they made the right decision in light of what the public only know's

[tab]

"Importantly, there was a computer room conversation, a chatroom conversation, with Dr Haneef’s brother in India on the afternoon before his attempted hasty departure from Australia," he said. "In it, the brother of Haneef says 'nothing has been found out about you' and asked when Dr Haneef would be getting out, to which Haneef replied 'today'.

"The brother asked whether he had permission to take leave and what he told the hospital. Dr Haneef said he told them his baby was born in an emergency caesarean. The brother told him to 'tell them that you have to as you have a daughter born, do not tell them anything else'.

"The brother then said not to delay his departure and not to let anyone else use his number in Australia, nor to give it to anyone."

Mr Andrews said that federal police had told him before making his visa decision that officers suspected the internet conversation could be evidence that Dr Haneef had prior knowledge of the UK bomb plot.

And check out the picture, he reminds me of the smiling Bali bomber. Haneef

Nothing of concern there - all looks above board :titwave:

I think it caught the police by surprise, they couldn’t monitor him for a few weeks to see what was happening as he was about to get on a plane and leave the country!

Poor form all round though I must say. Even had the dodgy lawyer leaking police reports to the media.

[Turbo6man]

Are you a terrorist? Well, are you? Because you sure look like you could be a terrorist to me. I am a Federal Police Officer and I am now going to enter your home and/or business premises and conduct a search. I am also going to confiscate all your bank records, any other personal or business records, and any computers you may have on those premises. No, I don't need a Court Order - I just have this gut feeling that you may be a person who has some kind of link to terrorism in some way. Oh, and by the way, you are under arrest. Yes, you can see a lawyer but NO, I am not going to tell you exactly what the charge is, nor will you be brought before a Court until I have enough evidence to proceed. Until then you will be held in jail indefinitely.

Have you recently loaned any money to a relative or close friend? Do you know what they did with it? Can you be absolutely positively certain of all the company that person/persons keep and who they may liase with or talk to? Gee whiz then you are in trouble if the current Federal Parliamentary discussions become legislation.

Governments, particularly ones we call Western or Democratic, all around the world are making huge power grabs in the name of "anti-terrorism" and in the process are bludgeoning away the civil liberties and rights of their citizens.

Living in NSW/Australia today doesn't seem to me to be all that different from how it may have been during the 1940s in Hitler's Germany.

[JimmyXR6T04]

unfortunately, in some instances it's a case of being proactive or reactive.. would we rather our police react to a terrorist threat when it's too late, or be proactive and occasionally come away empty handed... seriously guys, it's not like the AFP are gonna be pulling over ordinary people and detaining them because they "suspect" something. They will no doubt have to have a reasonable belief that a terrorist attack will occur, or the person is likely to be involved.

[turtle33]

Are you a terrorist? Well, are you? Because you sure look like you could be a terrorist to me. I am a Federal Police Officer and I am now going to enter your home and/or business premises and conduct a search. I am also going to confiscate all your bank records, any other personal or business records, and any computers you may have on those premises. No, I don't need a Court Order - I just have this gut feeling that you may be a person who has some kind of link to terrorism in some way. Oh, and by the way, you are under arrest. Yes, you can see a lawyer but NO, I am not going to tell you exactly what the charge is, nor will you be brought before a Court until I have enough evidence to proceed. Until then you will be held in jail indefinitely.

Have you recently loaned any money to a relative or close friend? Do you know what they did with it? Can you be absolutely positively certain of all the company that person/persons keep and who they may liase with or talk to? Gee whiz then you are in trouble if the current Federal Parliamentary discussions become legislation.

Governments, particularly ones we call Western or Democratic, all around the world are making huge power grabs in the name of "anti-terrorism" and in the process are bludgeoning away the civil liberties and rights of their citizens.

Living in NSW/Australia today doesn't seem to me to be all that different from how it may have been during the 1940s in Hitler's Germany.

if this is the price we pay for our security, then its just too much to pay.

[harvyk]

My favourite quote is

"If we give up some freedoms for security we will end up with neither."

The idea of "Special Terrorist Laws" to catch these people seems like a big joke, they are laws which allow the coppers to do as they please.

The thing that was even worse in this case is an independent judge made a decision on bail even with the laws favoured heavily on the coppers side, and that was effectively overturned by the most anti-independent person there is - a pollie.

So far the only thing that is truly known is he has family who have been arrested in connection to failed bombing attempts. They are still technically innocent as they have not yet been found guilty (innocent until proven guilty is one of the foundations of our laws). The laws should have allowed the coppers to asked the courts to prevent Haneef in leaving the country, but the rest of the "investigation" should have been treated as any other criminal investigate.

All that said, if he really is guilty they lock him up and should throw away the key, but I'd like to see the basic legal protections still in place and working first, otherwise said hello to Hilter II.

[Guest]

I've thought about this a fair bit tonight and have come to the conclusion that he's where he belongs now

[sixfan]

if this is the price we pay for our security, then its just too much to pay.

Ken oath.

[Flukey]

Living in NSW/Australia today doesn't seem to me to be all that different from how it may have been during the 1940s in Hitler's Germany.

Absolutely ridiculous statement.

The laws of the land that are in place are to protect you and I and our families and friends and everyone else who does the right thing.

If the Feds want to crawl all over some guy becuase in their eyes they have "probable cause", good luck to them.

The absolute last thing we ever want to see in this country is a f*cking plane flying too low over a capital city.

I tell you what. I dont get hassled by the Police, the Feds, ASIO, ATO, drug dealers, gangsters, pimps or anyone else.

Why, because I got nothing to hide.

People only look at you if there is a reason too.

We live in one of the safest countries on the planet. I dont know how you cant appreciate that.