Nulon Products

[Lawsy]

Hey guys, its been a while.

As alot of you old schoolers know, I'm doing engineering and I used to bring as much engineering help as I could... Well, I thought I would pick that back up again for a post.

This is about Nulon products, specifically, there PTFE (highly refined version for teflon [teflon is simply a trademark, not a substance]) based engine treatments.

No, I don't work for Nulon, but SuperCheap Auto, we stock Nulon but otherwise have nothing to do with them, I gain nothing from posting this other than a feel good sense of trying to help...

OK

Today there are a lot of products and additives on the market, and most of them suck and do nothing for your engine; based on funny ratio's of common oils/detergants/friction modifiers or thickeners. Most of them are a waste of money. But there happens to be a few products that XR6T drivers really should be taking a look at, as they can save you a lot of hassles later down the track, especially if you're running a lot of power.

One such product is the long term engine treatment (E30). PTFE happens to be one of those awesome freaks of nature type substances that has all the properties for a specific application that you want. Having the lowest friction value of anything in the universe is handy, being inert and not combustable is very handy also. I think you can see where this is going, so just buy it, put it in your car and forget its even there until you change your oil next.

Second product, performance treatment (E20, probably the best per oil change additive on the market), and an odd way of using up a bottle of it without opening your oil cap...

Now I'm sure some of you have heard of upper cylinder lubes before, but how many of them actually work? I know a couple that do, the moreys one seems ok, has the right physics behind it, but has no real lasting effect. As soon as you use that tank of fuel up, the effect is pretty much gone. They do improve economy and can increase power, but not by alot. They do significantly reduce wear though, which is a very good thing.

Well, here is a another reason you should use an upper cylinder lube, without actualy using an upper cylinder lube...

To remove carbon deposits in your piston rings.

Yep, sounds odd, but is oh so very common. If your 6T is using a bit of oil (more so than it should) one possible cause is clogged up rings or glazed cylinder bores, due to being run in too soft/hard, but assuming the rings are still in ok condition.

An easy way to solve this is to find a spare vacuum port on your intake manifold (preferably the smallest one you can find that is closest to the throttle) and attack it with a small bit of hose; then stick a tiny funnel in the hose... I'm sure you can see where this is going.

Get a brick, and get your engine turning at around 1600-2000 (the vacuum port you have open should be small enough to allow the car to run without much hassle. If this isn't the case, pick a smaller port or kink the hose slightly to restrict the flow, without blocking it).

Now it should take you around 20 - 30 minutes to extremely slowly drizzle the treatment down the funnel (only 300ml, so yes very slowly), and the vacuum should draw it through. This should have an immediate affect. This can quickly remove carbone and turd from your piston rings, as well as lube the valves, soften seals and help rings to sit properly.

Oh, and you'll blow massive plooms of smoke for around 2km's when you next go for a drive around the block, which is always great fun for the people who live next door.

Now I have to be honest with you... The point of this post was to put me to sleep as I couldn't turn my brain off. It seems to have worked since I can barely keep my eyes open.

BUY NULON OR DIE.

Ok, no I'm not serious, I don't want you to die, but they do make good stuff and they actually use real deal physics and chemical engineers to help improve their products, which is pretty much why they are the only brand I can recommend to customers and have a clear conscience that I've done the right thing. So there.

Take care guys, I hope some of my long, random, and mostly useless dribble has helped someone.

Cheers

Tim

[South]

So why should I use them, you haven't answered your own question, you have merely reiterated the product blurb.

You do understand that oils contain detergants and friction modifiers out of the bottle. These are same products that Nulon are trying to sell, that are not necessary to purchase. Gear oils, transmission fluids, power steering fluids have many different variations of the one product. Mitsubishi for example 'engineered' a particular gear oil with Castrol specifically for there products, it can be identified with a '-M'

From an engineering perspective why do I need to go to the lengths of using additional products, what am I to gain by doing so?

[Blonk]

Lawsy's your a bit of a worry still mate......

Go back and work out if the plane will take off and leave the cars for the grown ups!!

[Paranormal]

Or go work for Super Cheap marketing, and at least get em to stock Nulon OIL! that's why I go to Auto Barn.

[Beaker]

Why buy an expensive additive to remove bore glaze. A buddy of mine is an army recimech - their solution for deglazing bores was to chuck a handfull of Ajax down the intake.

Don't know about the long term affects though - I'm guessing not so good.

Under no circumstance should you chuck Ajax down your intake - the army has millions of dollars - my guess is you don't.

[South]

Ajax is abrasive, might aswell drop a bottle of salt in while your at it

[Lawsy]

These forums need a certain function before you can post, like a quiz, it should start like this.

How much sleep did you get last night? 1, 2, 5 minutes, 1 hour, 2 etc....

Can you add 3 and 5?

If you anser poorly to both it stops you from posting as a restraint from midnight retard 'I wanna post crap' urges. Like I had the other night (sigh), see what working 60 hours does? :(

My appologies.

Ok now that it isn't midnight and I've had more than 5 minutes of sleep, I'll try and actually get the point I wanted to make...

Ok basically, if you have any idea about physics, you'll know what PTFE is (Polytetrafluoroethylene, say it 5 times real fast). Now there are a couple of very interesting properties that no other substance has, especially for lubricating purposes...

2 easy ones.

Firstly, it has the lowest friction of any substance. This should be self explanatory.

Secondly, it is basically inert. This should also be self explanatory.

Now the rest are much more interesting.

If you were refine PTFE into spherical particles less than a a few hundredths of a micro, it will embed itself (under heat and pressure) into the grain boundries of the material. Funny enough, it must be a smooth metalic material for this to work (that's why it has no real effect on porous clutch or band materials, this is important).

Lowest friction, inert, and a micron layer of it in your cylinder walls. Not only that, any other crap that may have somehow been small enough to get into these grain boundries, it will remove them... How handy (think piston rings). While you're thinking of piston rings, think of the answer to this question. Do you want your rings to move freely in there groves or does 'bedded in' mean they hardly move at all?

The answer is you want them to move as freely as possible. Being bedded in simply means they have been moulded to the shape of the grooves and cylinder walls. Otherwise you want them moving as freely as they possible can, as this way when the correct pressures are applied, they will give a good seal and a great oil scrape affect.

Two things which are really important.

And expensive? I'm a poor student, but around 10 bucks every 5000 km's isn't exactly breaking the bank now is it. Or if you spend the 40 on the long term, you spread that out over at least 50,000ks, possibly 80,000... You work it out.

[EDIT]

Oh snap, I just found this (why didn't I google it earlier? ><).

These are some fact sheets and reports. Ok you guys won't have access to some of the other tests that distributors get (they are hardcopy only I think), but they are just repeats of the same anyway; so check all of these fact sheets out. If you are interested in anything mechanical, they are a great read, even if you hate nulon, they are a good read regardless.

So ignore everything I've just typed and just read these. As it seems it explains everything I was trying to explain anyway, and heaps more.

Good good :D

Go here

http://www.nulon.com.au/factSheets.php

Have fun, and again, I'll try not to post crap at 1am after 10 hours of work and no sleep....

Edited 30/07/07 10:07 AM by Lawsy

[Lawsy]

Lawsy's your a bit of a worry still mate......

Go back and work out if the plane will take off and leave the cars for the grown ups!!

You're cruisin for a bruisin if you keep that up mate !

Grown ups... Pah. You wish

[EDIT]

Oh and btw, PTFE is not a friction modifier. PTFE is dispersed as solid particles through a solution. They do not disolve, they do not modify the friction of the oil as such, but more so the surfaces the oil is in contact with. There is a massive difference between the two and I couldn't even begin to try and explain it. Nulon just happened to figure out what sizes would be required for different applications and how to get the particles to properly suspend in a solution (with other sealing and desirable lubricating properties) and then the solution to mix through the oil.

The detergents, even in the most expensive oil you can find, are pathetic in comparison. I don't care if caltex engineered a product with mitsubishi... The chemical breakdown will show that this so called 'engineered product' is basically the same as the normal product every other car uses; simply mass produced (with its slight difference) and guaranteed to sell, nothing more. Ford did the same thing, they uses a different seal material in there power steering and so you have to buy the power steering fluid that has an AU falcon xr6 on the front of it... If you use anything else, seal life is slightly reduced... Not much of a big deal when you consider that we are talking in single percentage terms.

Ok just read the sheets, I'm glad I found them, read read!!@!%!%

Edited 30/07/07 10:21 AM by Lawsy

[Lawsy]

Oh and I think I remember what my motive for all this was...

I really enjoy quality engineering, and when I find examples of good quality, easily provable, genuinely helpful engineering products, I guess I just can't help myself...

[Dagabond]

Oh snap...... google......

So this has nothing to do with any REAL hard world evidence of your own and is the speal lifted off the web.....

Of course we all know if it's on the web it MUST be right....

Why didnt you just copy paste there ad into here would have saved you a heap of typing.....