V6 For Falcon

[Blonk]

Looks like the price of the BA and BF phoons just shot up.....

Just heard on the news, geelong plant is going to close sooner rather than later........

If they put the V6 in the falcon, I for one will go back to an 8.......

[XtRmn8]

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cyclone_engine

TwinForce

A direct-injected, twin-turbocharged version of the all-aluminum Duratec 35 has been developed, producing 430 hp (321 kW) and 400 ft·lbf (542 N·m) of torque. The TwinForce 3.5L V6 is intended to deliver the performance (on demand) of a typical large displacement 6.0 L-class V8, with the normal driving (highway) fuel efficiency of a 3.0 L to 4.0 L class V6. [1] [2]

Gasoline direct injection more precisely manages fuel flow into the cylinders, for more efficient combustion and emissions control, when compared to port injection. Twin-turbocharging forces more air into the engine on demand, allowing additional fuel to be injected and burned, producing more power: 118 hp (88 kW) per liter in the case of the Twinforce.

Technologies for the twin turbocharging system were developed in cooperation with Volvo Cars, and the gasoline direct injection system is a joint development between Ford and Bosch based on Bosch DFI systems already in production.

The engine is also capable of operating on any mix of E85 ethanol and premium gasoline, and makes its debut in the Lincoln MKR concept coupe/sedan, introduced at the 2007 North American International Auto Show.

Edited 18/07/07 11:25 AM by XtRmn8

[RIP'S_PATCHES!]

guys u dont know what this v6 could be like, I mean look at nissan for example, they went from a very successful rb26 inline six engine to a v6 in the new gtr. and there not stupid.

[Chris xr6]

The move to v6 will also be because ford will be able to better package the front end of the car and aim for a higher NCAP safety rating.

The euro 4 emmisions targets they could easily get with the current engine with a better intake setup and the addition of direct injection

[renster]

At what pay? , Don`t tell me you work in the mining industry. We have had heaps of people go interstate for that not all the states have jobs like that on offer.And not everybody wants to move either.

Hey if more ppl were like us and bought XR6T's we would not be in this position.. it is all the others that are the problem..

If there were more of Us there would be no problem everyone would have an I6

:-( why isn't everybody like us

[Buf-Phoon]

Stuff the laggy twin jobby.It will take the aftermarket community a while to catch up as well.

CYA

Edited 18/07/07 12:49 PM by Buf-Phoon

[XtRmn8]

Stuff the laggy twin jobby.It will take the aftermarket community a while to catch up as well.

CYA

I think you will find that it is Twin Turbo due to the V configuration, one turbo per bank to make the plumbing easier and neater?

I do not think these new Twin Turbo engines are a low and high end setup. Bit early to bag the engine as we have no fact to make judgment other then the fact it is a V6 and that the current VE V6 is a POS.

[AC's BA]

so then its a go ahead

'More jobs at risk' from Ford closure

Wednesday Jul 18 17:11 AEST

Thousands more jobs could be at risk following Wednesday's announcement by Ford Australia that 600 workers will be sacked when the carmaker closes its Geelong engine plant.

ACTU president Sharan Burrow warned as many as 3,000 additional jobs in and around the Victorian city were under threat from the flow-on effects of a downturn in the local car parts and services industries.

"The prospect of major job cuts at Ford adds to substantial job losses at Expensive Daewoo over the past two years and thousands more jobs in the car components industry, which is heavily focused on Victoria," Ms Burrow said.

Geelong's worst fears were realised with the confirmation that the engine plant will be closed in 2010.

While the federal and Victorian governments and Ford will contribute to a $24 million fund to generate new jobs, there was little consolation for workers.

Ford Australia president Tom Gorman said in a statement the closure will allow the company to achieve production efficiencies and access global economies of scale.

Ford will cease manufacturing its locally-designed in-line, six cylinder engine, fitted to its Falcon and Territory range, replacing it with an imported V6.

A downturn in large car sales and a planned cut in tariffs on imported cars from 10 per cent to five per cent in 2010 and tougher new car emissions standards, also due in 2010, prompted the Ford decision.

"The Australian car market has fundamentally and permanently changed," Mr Gorman said in a statement.

"Our new engine strategy is a direct response to the lower manufacturing levels of locally produced large vehicles."

The new engine will be sourced from high volume US engine facilities expected to produce about one million engines a year by 2011, compared to the 70,000 a year at Geelong.

Victorian Premier Steve Bracks described the job losses as "disturbing," and said his government will offer its support to workers hit hard at the car giant's Geelong plant.

"We'll obviously stand by Ford workers and make sure we assist and support those workers if there is a change," Mr Bracks said.

"We have invested in Ford and invested in new production, we've invested in making sure they can produce for a long term in this state and we'd be very disturbed to see of any job loss."

Prime Minister John Howard denied Ford's problems were the result of government policies or the state of the economy.

"It's a consequence of marketing reality and these decisions are made by companies from time to time," Mr Howard told reporters in Adelaide.

"The good thing is the economy is strong and employment conditions are very good.

"Therefore, the prospects of people finding alternative jobs, if they need to, are much brighter now than they were say 10 or 15 years ago."

Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd says a federal Labor government would fast-track a review of the Australian automotive industry to ensure its long-term future.

He said the Geelong plant closure was not only bad news for the affected employees, but also prompted grave concerns for the bigger picture of Australian manufacturing.

"This is a terrible development for the workers at Ford in Geelong and the entire Geelong community," Mr Rudd said.

"It's also a terrible development when it comes to the future of our automotive industry in Australia and the future of manufacturing more generally."

©AAP 2007

Their getting themselves into some deep if you ask me. that's an aussie car less aussie.

[bloan]

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cyclone_engine

"The Duratec 35 (code-name Cyclone) is a family of automobile engines from the Ford Motor Company. The first version, a 3.5 L V6, appeared in September 2006 in the Lincoln MKZ. Its displacement can be increased to 3.8 liters, meaning a Duratec 38 could come soon after. Mazda calls its version of the Cyclone the MZI.

The Duratec 35 was on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list for 2007.

The Cyclone is an all-aluminum engine based on the Lincoln/Jaguar Duratec 30 DAMB, and includes variable cam timing on the intake side, a feature already found on the Jaguar AJ30 and Mazda AJ versions of the 3.0.

The new heads relocate all accessory drives to the front of the engine with a flush chain drive. Unlike the current Duratec 30 used in most North American Ford applications, this engine features direct acting bucket style valve actuation (with shim adjustment) instead of roller finger followers with hydraulic lash adjusters. The new combustion chambers are reshaped as well.

Direct injection, turbo charging and a dual-stage variable length intake manifold can be added later. Centrally-located sparkplugs, and a 10.3:1 compression ratio are other features. The Duratec 35 is ULEV-II compliant and is said to be capable of meeting the PZEV requirement as well.

Official SAE certified engine output is 265 hp (198 kW) and 250 ft-lb (339 Nm) on 87 octane gas, but could reach 300 hp (224 kW) once planned features like gasoline direct injection are added. This is a substantial upgrade in power from the Duratec 30, and bests all competitive engines except the newest version of Nissan's VQ35DE and Toyota's 2GR-FE[1].

The 3.5 L engine is the same exterior size as the 3.0 L Duratec 30, and is intended to replace it in some applications as a standard or optional power upgrade, notably the Ford Taurus in the 2008 model year. Production began in 2006, for the Ford Edge, Lincoln MKX, and Lincoln MKZ. Eventually the company expects the engine to be available in 20% of all Ford vehicles by the end of the decade. The Duratec 30 continues in production for other vehicles, such as the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan.

The Duratec 35 displaces 3.5 L (3496 cc/213 in³) with a 92.5 mm (3.64 in) bore and 86.7 mm (3.41 in) stroke. The first batch of aluminum blocks was made by Teksid in Mexico and is now being made by JL French, while the heads come from Nemak in Alabama, and the crankshaft comes from Bharat Forge of India. The engine is assembled at Lima Engine in Lima, Ohio, with expansion planned in Cleveland Engine Plant #1.

Current applications:

• 265 hp (198 kW) at 6250 rpm and 250 ft-lb (339 N•m) at 4500 rpm

o 2007 Ford Edge

o 2007 Lincoln MKX

• 263 hp (196 kW) at 6250 rpm and 249 ft-lb (338 N•m) at 4500 rpm

o 2007 Lincoln MKZ

o 2008 Ford Taurus

o 2008 Ford Taurus X

o 2008 Mercury Sable

• 2007 Mazda CX-9 ("MZI")

Possible future applications

• Ford Mustang

• Ford Falcon (Australia)

• Ford Territory

Duratec 37

A 3.7 L version of the Cyclone is reportedly being developed for the Lincoln MKS and other vehicles, starting in the 2009 model year

Twin Force

A direct-injected, twin-turbocharged version of the all-aluminum Duratec 35 has been developed, producing 430 hp (321 kW) and 400 ft-lb (542 Nm) of torque. The Twin Force 3.5L V6 is intended to deliver the performance (on demand) of a typical large displacement 6.0 L-class V8, with the normal driving (highway) fuel efficiency of a 3.0 L to 4.0 L class V6.

Gasoline direct injection more precisely manages fuel flow into the cylinders, for more efficient combustion and emissions control, when compared to port injection. Twin-turbo charging forces more air into the engine on demand, allowing additional fuel to be injected and burned, producing more power: 118 hp (88 kW) per liter in the case of the Twin force.

Technologies for the twin turbo charging system were developed in cooperation with Volvo Cars, and the gasoline direct injection system is a joint development between Ford and Bosch based on Bosch DFI systems already in production.

The engine is also capable of operating on any mix of E85 ethanol and premium gasoline, and makes its debut in the Lincoln MKR concept coupe/sedan, introduced at the 2007 North American International Auto Show".

[xr6 typhoon]

Stuff the laggy twin jobby.It will take the aftermarket community a while to catch up as well.

CYA

I dont know buf. The yanks will probably have it around 2 years earlier than us to play with. So we can let them go through all the pain and suffering and just by the proven parts