Hsv Gts-r 385kw On Sale October!

[01txr]

It they do release this which I doubt they will as it probably is just media hype that gmh has paid Wheels to promote, as if it would be release how many people will get the impression that gmh is the performance king and go out and buy one of there products.

Ford will have to fit it's quad VCT to it's V8's with a longer runner intake to use all that extra bonnet clearance in the new Orion model and up boost to 15 psi in the Turbo's, maybe add some better rubber for traction as well.

Bring it on.

And as everyone has said spend $10 000 plus on your current ride and see if the dungadore can match you.

[tab]

no market for them? They will sell them all in under a month if not all presold. The previous 427 was all presold and when it was announced that it would be too dear to be produced many owners said how much do you need? 200k? ok just build it. Put it into perspective, a gtho 3 is pushing a million and there is more than 100-150 left so 120k for this car, they will be sold in a flash.

Oh I love these topics.

Reminds me of when there was a wiff getting around about an FPV version of the T. All the doubters were using the same logic about purchasing a cheaper vehicle and spending the difference on mods - yet the phoons seem to be selling ok. Isn’t it cheaper to buy a T and spend a few grand on mods to get you a better outcome than a phoon?

If it does eventuate, there would be absolutely no dramas selling them. Not saying I’d buy one, just highlighting the ludicrous comments in this thread.

[f-wolf]

sorry to dissapoint guys but it looks like it is only a rumour

I asked my boss today if he has heard anything about it as we are a hsv dealer

there has been a bulliten sent out to all dealers saying it is not true !

and I was looking forward to driving one too!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just found this.

VE 'GTS-R' to miss HSV party! (June 2007)

Believe what you read -- sort of! HSV wants a monster car, but it may have to wait

The Carsales Network's magazine partner Wheels has gone front page with the story that HSV will (finally) launch its 'monster' model -- a 7.0-litre Corvette-engined VE. While you learned of the existence of such a model here first (more here), Wheels is the first entity to connect the hi-po Commie with HSV's 20th Anniversary.

The Aussie motoring media should have taken the hint when HSV's founding managing director and current resident patriarch, John Crennan, decreed that HSV would leverage its 20th Anniversary "with some dramatic activities" at the recent WM Grange launch. However, while you can almost guarantee that JC has removed most remaining obstacles for the arrival of several ultimate HSV models to celebrate the birthday, Wheels may not have the full story.

Indeed, piecing together conversations with various HSV personnel over the last two years, the hottest-ever Late model camira may have received the go ahead, but it is unlikely to arrive before 2009.

Why? Read on?

Having to drop the Monaro-based HRT427 after the real costs of bringing it to production were underestimated was a huge embarrassment for HSV -- especially with 'parent', Holden. This didn't kill HSV's desire to offer an exclusive performance model with race breeding. In fact, the exercise proved that such a market exists.

This elite level has always been separate to the mainstream HSV model range in the tradition of the original yellow GTS-R and the VTII GTS 300 with its special Callaway engine. In HSV consciousness, it represents a purist non-turbo, non-supercharged sportscar that would provide the foundations for endurance racing anywhere in the world as the original VTII GTS 300 continues to do in local production racing. Last year's special batch of VZ ClubSport R racecars for the Bahrain International Circuit race series and the Dealer Team Special version of the previous ClubSport have kept this racebred thread alive within HSV.

Now, the special LS7 engine as fitted to the Corvette Z06 with its dry-sump lubrication and titanium internals delivers HSV a ready-made opportunity to revive the HRT427 in spirit, if not in detail. And although there are several much cheaper options open to HSV to replicate LS7 performance levels, including supercharging, the purists within HSV do not see these forced induction lower-revving engines as true alternatives

That doesn't mean the mainstream HSV range won't benefit from the cheaper alternatives -- it will, sooner rather than later. But an LS7-powered model is seen by HSV as the entry to a new over-$100,000 market both here and abroad.

The biggest obstacle to date has been whether the HSV name and Late model camira platform could support a pricetag beyond $125,000. The huge sales success of HSV's new E-series and the half-million dollar prices of used Australian musclecars would suggest that this concern may have faded. In this context, the timing of Crennan's decree is significant.

But before you start throwing cheques at HSV, significant practical issues still exist. Indeed, it's these that will likely keep the production 427 from making the 20th Anniversary party.

The main handbrake is dealing with the installation of the LS7 and its dry sump plumbing, oil tank and so on -- both in a packaging sense and as part of the normal production line processes at Holden's plant at Elizabeth. Although the V8 Supercar practice of locating the key components in the rear of the vehicle would appear to be a straightforward solution, such an installation is impractical in a road-going vehicle. It's unlikely the Elizabeth line would cope with the added production stages either.

The potential of building a wet sump LS7 is equally problematic -- even before the discussion of the costs involved in partially dismantling an engine that already costs at least three times that of the LS2.

Further, there is a question of a suitable transmission. The LS7 is currently mated to a six-speed manual transmission which though upgraded for the extra torque and power of the special engine, is normally fitted to a car (the Corvette Z06) that is approximately 600kg lighter than a similarly-equipped VE-based four-door. It is believed that this has always been one of the key obstacles for the LS7 project to reach fruition.

No one at HSV is saying whether there are any concerns over the Z06 Corvette's manual transmission's ability to cope with the extra weight of an HSV model, but durability testing and countermeasures would still be in relatively early days. It is also extremely unlikely that HSV has suddenly found a much easier and more cost-effective way of repackaging the dry sump engine lubrication under the VE bonnet over the last six months. However, what has changed is the extraordinary success of the E-series range which continues to break all HSV sales records. This in turn has generated extra funds and extra confidence that the market would pay a substantial premium for an exclusive dry-sumped LS7-engined GTS-R 427 model.

LS7 aside, Crennan's emphasis on "activities" (see above) suggests that cheaper, more powerful alternatives to the current range will also be on the 20th Anniversary agenda.

The most likely scenario is for HSV to test the waters at this October's Sydney Motor Show and mark the start of HSV's 20th Anniversary celebrations, then take orders for delivery into 2009.

Shades of HRT427? Certainly. Only this time HSV will make sure it knows exactly what it is going to take to get the car to market and at what price.

And what price a 400kW HSV supercharged model in the $80K region to take the shine off Ford's Orion XR range at the Melbourne Motor Show in March?

[Desert_phantom]

"(which will give this 385kw hsv a run for its money even with stock 270kw)"

RIP'S PATCHES: You have gotta be dreaming. A 385KW V8 with a brand new chassis (read puts power to ground better) would eat the typhoons 270KW turbo (stock) All day long.

[Billsta]

Yeah it may. Just don't forget the Phoon's are under quoted and rated more at 300fwkw.

Though would love to see it on the road vs a phoon with minimal mods that's running 300rwkw.

That would be interesting!

Not discrediting the gts-r if it actually is coming out good on HSV just talking real world comparisons if the car eventuates to production and these cars are driven instead of stored.

Edited 04/07/07 10:29 AM by Billsta

[RIP'S_PATCHES!]

"(which will give this 385kw hsv a run for its money even with stock 270kw)"

RIP'S PATCHES: You have gotta be dreaming. A 385KW V8 with a brand new chassis (read puts power to ground better) would eat the typhoons 270KW turbo (stock) All day long.

hence the reason why I said run for its money, not blow its doors off.

[Guest FatBAt]

no market for them? They will sell them all in under a month if not all presold. The previous 427 was all presold and when it was announced that it would be too dear to be produced many owners said how much do you need? 200k? ok just build it. Put it into perspective, a gtho 3 is pushing a million and there is more than 100-150 left so 120k for this car, they will be sold in a flash.

The GTHO was a cult car only because they didn't realise the market 30 years later. They didn't release a cult car....it became one. People didn't buy the GTHO as an investment.

Problem is these days they are trying to produce cult cars. Do you honestly think that a car made today is going to be around in 30 years because you are comparing the mighty GTHO Ph3 to this car. Cars are made to wear out. In most industries these days they even have an acronym for it. MTBF. Mean Time Before failure. They want it to wear out. In those days, cars actually had metal in them.

What is going to make this car so special when in another 5 years they will bring out another special car.

If they would be all sold in a flash....at the price compared to this new car, why don't we see Granges' on every street corner when at the moment, that is the best Expensive Daewoo have to offer.

It would have to be bloody special and from what I see, it's not. It is just another Late model camira with a big motor. If it had 305 kw, you wouldn't even give it a glance.

My opinion only

Cheers

[turtle33]

I didnt compare the gtho to the hsv I compared the price as a pespective on quantity of cars avaliable . Re read what I said re the 427, they were all PRE SOLD prior to even be confirmed for productions. Mate, I or any one can buy a grange and I guess they wouldent be limited in no's like this "special" , they are a nice car but they are marketed to a different demographic compared to the 427 or the 385kw version. In car terms I guess im not as one eyed as many, I actually apreciate the car rather than a badge. Dont even compare a modded T to this car, it will be stock (if it ever gets built) 385kw and its backed by a FULL Expensive Daewoo warranty unlike a modded t or a phoon. Im not in the market for a 120k car either but dont sh*tcan it before you even see/drive it.

[01txr]

The GTHO was a cult car only because they didn't realise the market 30 years later. They didn't release a cult car....it became one. People didn't buy the GTHO as an investment.

Problem is these days they are trying to produce cult cars. Do you honestly think that a car made today is going to be around in 30 years because you are comparing the mighty GTHO Ph3 to this car. Cars are made to wear out. In most industries these days they even have an acronym for it. MTBF. Mean Time Before failure. They want it to wear out. In those days, cars actually had metal in them.

My opinion only

Cheers

That is for sure, the firewall will probably fall out from the glue deteriating (that's if they are still using glue to hold them in as per vt-vy)