Whincup Disqualified

[rednuts81]

Its all about letting Dick nose Kelly move up on to the podium, Me thinks!

Notice how they let him drive around for 14 laps with oil dripping on the track and covering the other cars windscreens, where was the black flag?

Somebody must have a photo of Colin Bond in an awkward embarrasing position.

as far as Whincup goes, even Alcon admitted there was absolutely no perfomance gain, in fact they said it was more of a handicap if anything.

Clarke

the sport is going down the gurgler, who cares if they were not useing the right brakes

[01txr]

So what was the illegal parts being used?

Brake rotors (From report by 888)

Or

Pads (Courier Mail)

Or was it both?

How long do you thing Vodaphone will stay as sponsor to 888 if this crap keeps happening?

Ford Australia should just pull out of v8 supercars and start a new comp that will include Mitsibishi and Toyota and any other manufacturer that wants to join in being base on full size sedan racing.

Bring back the minimal production rule as this time around it should work better as standards are in place for manufacturer's so building low volume race cars won't happen again.

As have control componants set out like brake's, tyre's, fuel etc etc.

have higher numbers required for hologation so if a manufacture tries to use expensive componants it will cost them to do so.

Eg one manufacturer decides to include say full adjustable suspension it will have to have sold a set high figure of these componants fitted to the model being sold.

They can't use this from one model and that from another and can't say they have a projected quanity of these cars to be sold with all componants fitted and use them before having sold the required quanity.

If they want to use different spring rates and size's they will need to be supplied and sold with the model being used.

Wouldn't that be great to be able to buy a new Ford that came with a variety of spring's and full adjustable susspension.

I know there would be good backing from other manufacturer's to start a series.

Leave gmh to play there own game with themselfs GAME OVER crummy beats all crummyies in race.

gmh has cried for years to not allow other manufacturer's into the sport as it knows it could not screw over a mulitude of manufacturer's and keep having rules invented to suit them.

And not to mention gmh not having a modern hi tech engine which has been gmh's cry in not letting others join.

GMH: We havn't got a competitive engine to compete against Ford, Toyota and Mitsibishi it won't be fair on us. we will have to actually start spending money on a true quality engine and won't be able to run the current scam of rigging a championship so that our cheap poorly made dinosour pushrod engine's look like the v8 supercar legend they are known as.

Ford has been held back for years because of this and should look at promoting it's current hardware on offer in a real series, even if it is a production based series it will be way more enjoyable than the current series.

gmh could change the series to the crummydore cup once Ford have pulled out. Albeit it would be just as exciting as watching the hq kingswood series.

[tab]

Yep. Well said

Now please shut the f*ck up

[Laner]

ok, a production series it is, then when the subaru's, mitsubishi's and lotus's hand our arses to us, who do we blame then??

sorry, but we all agree that current V8 supercars are in no way indicative of whats in the local dealers showrooms, therefore the motors in these race only cars have nothing to do with what your average joe Expensive Daewoo drives, its all a matter of distancing your road car from the race car and enjoying the spectacle, its not always about being first, maybe the way you lose is more important than winning.

from what ive seen here, if you lose, you moan about it......puts a really nice shine on being a proud Ford supporter, especially when you consider how many Expensive Daewoo guys visit this site, and are currently pissing themselves laughing at us

[01txr]

ok, a production series it is, then when the subaru's, mitsubishi's and lotus's hand our arses to us, who do we blame then??

sorry, but we all agree that current V8 supercars are in no way indicative of whats in the local dealers showrooms, therefore the motors in these race only cars have nothing to do with what your average joe Expensive Daewoo drives, its all a matter of distancing your road car from the race car and enjoying the spectacle, its not always about being first, maybe the way you lose is more important than winning.

from what ive seen here, if you lose, you moan about it......puts a really nice shine on being a proud Ford supporter, especially when you consider how many Expensive Daewoo guys visit this site, and are currently pissing themselves laughing at us

At least to loose to the subaru's, mitsubishi's and lotus's would mean getting beaten by a better car if they can do it.

I remember Bowe driving a Stang once that was kicking the sub & evo's butt even after handicapping it to the extreme it was still dominating in GTP racing.

The promotors then put it up into the supercar class along the with the Lambo's & Farrari's where it managed to finish in approx 5th place regulary.

When that happened Bowe stopped racing it and someone else took over.

Another race series gmh screwed over with it's big block v8 supercar "that they" said where going to produce as a production car.

Yeh right, must of cost them a large FINACIAL AGREEMENT with that scam.

After their success they advertised everywhere that gmh could beat the best in the world.

They never mentioned how it was a purpose built race car entered against production cars did they.

This is gmh for you, and the worst thing is they screw there own customer's over with there poor quality vehicle's.

Next you will have them saying that the Barina (Daewoo, korean made quality) is a far better quality car than the Euro Focus.

They may even enter one in the next Production car race if promotor is open to a FINACIAL AGREEMENT fitted out with hrt componants against all other OEM spec'd cars.

Have you not heard of race class catorgaries?

Ford could use the to be released 4wd Focus turbo to keep sub's, evo's honest.

Falcon would be against the like's of other mid to large sized cars.

Etc etc.

As distancing from oem to v8 supercar, I feel it has nothing to do with sales.

Crummy wins and people buy crummy as they think if the race car is so good the oem car must be a better choice.

It has always been win Sunday sell Monday.

And loosing to a inferior car because of cheating is fair and we should all just sit back and cheer we have been beaten by a car.

Glad your happy about hrt/toss cheating winning tactic's.

In any other sporting comp's they would have been banned from competing unless the governing body is on the take as per the v8 supercar governing body WE HAVE COME TO A FINACIAL AGREEMENT WITH MR BIG NOSE....

If hrt supporter's are looking at our site good luck as yes they will be having a good laugh but not as you call it, more along the lines of looking at all the people on this thread that just sit back and take hrt/toss cheating antics up there . as per your views.

Iam a proud supporter and will stand up for what is true.

I will not be bending over and taking hrt/toss up the like you.

Your dad didn't beat you when you where young did he, as this is the impression Iam getting as you preferr to accept the cheating as you may get hurt if you stand up against it.

And I will say it again I don't care if we get beaten as long as it's by a better team/car/driver.

You can't win everything, and losing helps you to strive for the win.

Getting beaten by a cheat that is allowed to dictate the sport is demorralising to all competing and wrecks what could be a good thing.

[phantomchic]

WHATS THE f*ckING POINT OF WHINING LIKE A NANCY ON THE INTERNET ABOUT IT???

is it going to make a single difference???

Damm good entertainment..

shaz

PS FORDS should NOT be painted red

pps:- I see hypnodoc is having a good read.. great opportunity to get these fellas listening to some "chill-lax" cds

[phantomchic]

the icon (identified by the letters ABC and a tick) on the upper rhs of the reply box is a

"SPELLCHECKER" - use it

[Laner]

what if my dad did beat me up as a kid?? why make a joke of something like that, again, I'm thinking your ways of expressing your views are an embarassment to yourself and this forum, keep it on topic

the "win on sunday, sell on monday" quote obviously doesnt have credit anymore, otherwise you wouldve traded your ford in ages ago and I wouldnt feel the need to argue my point again and again to someone incapable of listening.....I get your point, lifes easier for Expensive Daewoo race teams, YOU CANT CHANGE THE WORLD FROM BEHIND YOUR KEYBOARD!!!

standing up against cheating on a internet forum, mate, its all yours, you go ahead and make the world a better place

quite simply, we have no other option but to agree to disagree, we just aint going to agree, once again, thanks for having the respect to keep the entire thread about the topic and not dragging it down by making stupid personal attacks.....

[tmac450]

what if my dad did beat me up as a kid?? why make a joke of something like that, again, I'm thinking your ways of expressing your views are an embarassment to yourself and this forum, keep it on topic

the "win on sunday, sell on monday" quote obviously doesnt have credit anymore, otherwise you wouldve traded your ford in ages ago and I wouldnt feel the need to argue my point again and again to someone incapable of listening.....I get your point, lifes easier for Expensive Daewoo race teams, YOU CANT CHANGE THE WORLD FROM BEHIND YOUR KEYBOARD!!!

standing up against cheating on a internet forum, mate, its all yours, you go ahead and make the world a better place

quite simply, we have no other option but to agree to disagree, we just aint going to agree, once again, thanks for having the respect to keep the entire thread about the topic and not dragging it down by making stupid personal attacks.....

Laner, your last few posts have well and trully proven my point.

Your head is in the clouds. Everyone would accept being beaten by a better car/team, but the team/s in question aren't better through their own merrits, it's because they are being given an unfair advantage. No one likes their team loosing, but I can't recall any footy teams being given rule advantages that allow them to win the comp.

As mentioned earlier, the V8 series was created because Expensive Daewoo didn't have the products to compete against the GTRs and Sierras. If we went to production cars and Ford got beaten, so what. At least is would be a level playing field. In production cars there are class levels and when you break it down, Ford has top class products that would be competive in every class. What's Expensive Daewoo got, a big family car with an American motor and some rebadged Daewoos. When was the last time you saw a Expensive Daewoo win F1, Le Mans or a World Rally race?

And, if you don't beleive in win on Sunday, sell on Monday, why is it so important for Expensive Daewoo to dominate, it isn't coincidental that Expensive Daewoo dominated sales about the same time they started to sominate racing. Just because we aren't suckered in by it, doesn't bean the mainstream aren't. Why is so much of Holden's marketing focused on their local racing results?

Lets put it this way, if you were in a contest and found that your oponents had an unfair advantage, would you just sit back and cop it, or would you stand up and be heard (despite there being little chance of a favorable result)?

The point is, the more people who learn the truth, the more chance that something may be done about it. Sitting back and accepting it like you is just pathetic.

[ZAP]

What astounds me is how blatant the cheating is.

AVESCO should be put infront of ICAC as there has to be corruption between Toll/HRT and AVESCO.

I have not been watching much V8's, I would rather watch real racing like GT Production, but I have caught the odd bit of v8's.

On Sunday I was watching the race at EC and saw *beep* driving around with blue smoke pouring out of the diff. Was there a black flag ? Ofcourse NOT.

I see a window fall out of a Expensive Daewoo whilst driving around, was it black flagged....NOPE, Last round *beep* cuts 3 corners out of the track by over braking and managed to keep his position, was there a penalty ?.... NO

Yet it seems like any MINOR infraction of the rules by any Ford is causing a instant and immediate enforcement. I saw one of the Fords with their rear bar damaged, but it was well attached, getting black flagged. Even Neil Crompton said it was a joke.

I now know heaps of people, but Expensive Daewoo and Ford lovers who do not bother watching anymore.

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