Federal Budet 07

[Mr X]

The houses wouldnt have increased in value so much if the states released enough land you do realise? & Costello is the bloody reason the countries making so much money.

Costello's the reason we've got GST.I'm paying GST on some government services.......why?and for that matter...............GST why?Moot point I spose coz Rudd won't have the guts or motivation to abolish it.A small business nightmare.If you've got a good job and a fair employer.......count your blessings.I'd sell my business tomorrow for a good paying job and a nice place to work.

[XR6T8080]

yeh but most of the employeers are going that way now, even some of the mines up here are heading down that track. Calling the cops when ever they dont want a union rep to come in its crazy

The Mines? are you serious? you got nothing to complain about, from what I hear 95% of the miners dont want that labour awa sh*te becuse they will be earning 20% less if it comes in.

I thought you were a supermarket /fastfood/shop assistant worker, some kind of low paid employee that may have had something to complain about.

unions are a bloody neusance, they always have been you pay your money, and when you need their help they do everything humanly possible to make it difficult for you to receive that help.

[Buf-Phoon]

Forget to add the emoticon in your last post?

[ZAP]

This thread shows that we can all have sides without getting personal, well done people.

On a few comments:

Mr X, how can you honestly blam the government for your 20yo son not being able to buy a house ?

I mean seriously, he could buy a house in whoop whoop for $60,000 on the dole using the 1st home grant as a deposit. If you mean he cannot buy a house near you, then tough luck, I would like a waterfront mansion, but I cannot afford it. I either dream about it or DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

It is not the local/state or federal governements fault, accept it and move on.

rednut you talk about immigrants no wanting to strike or join a union, well all I can say is welcome to the 21st century. This is why Work Choices was invented. To stop Unions bullying workers into joining, to prevent Closed Shops, to allow people to make their own decisions.

As for loosing holiday pay, sick leave and loadings, under WC you cannot be worse off or forced to sign them. You have the right to stay under the federal award for your job that was in place before WC.

People need to stop listning to the unions and nay sayers who "think" they know what the hell they are talking about.

Oh and by the way I just employed an immigrant who cam to Oz from Azabyjan (USSR) under the skilled migration program. This guy is earning top dollar and is now a valuable part of my team. I could not fill the position with local tallent as they either wanted way to much money or lacked the skills for the job.

I hope JH does another term as PM.

[XR6T8080]

Forget to add the emoticon in your last post?

hehe, I dont need emotion for something so stupid.

[ZAP]

My Judd has been warned.

We are after a spirited debate by adults.

If you cannot manage to post up a constructive comment, then do not bother.

Please continue the debate

[Mr X]

This thread shows that we can all have sides without getting personal, well done people.

On a few comments:

Mr X, how can you honestly blam the government for your 20yo son not being able to buy a house ?

I mean seriously, he could buy a house in whoop whoop for $60,000 on the dole using the 1st home grant as a deposit. If you mean he cannot buy a house near you, then tough luck, I would like a waterfront mansion, but I cannot afford it. I either dream about it or DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

It is not the local/state or federal governements fault, accept it and move on.

rednut you talk about immigrants no wanting to strike or join a union, well all I can say is welcome to the 21st century. This is why Work Choices was invented. To stop Unions bullying workers into joining, to prevent Closed Shops, to allow people to make their own decisions.

As for loosing holiday pay, sick leave and loadings, under WC you cannot be worse off or forced to sign them. You have the right to stay under the federal award for your job that was in place before WC.

People need to stop listning to the unions and nay sayers who "think" they know what the hell they are talking about.

Oh and by the way I just employed an immigrant who cam to Oz from Azabyjan (USSR) under the skilled migration program. This guy is earning top dollar and is now a valuable part of my team. I could not fill the position with local tallent as they either wanted way to much money or lacked the skills for the job.

I hope JH does another term as PM.

Um zapper.I just mean that the "Australian Dream" is getting too far out of reach for the rank and file.Not sure why but someones running the place?A typical Adelaide suburban house is around 300-4000000 dollars.At 10 percent deposit a young couple has to find 28000 dollars plus(minimum + 7000 dollars first home owners grant) to qualify for a home loan.Personally I've never had 28000 dollars cash (or in the bank)in my life- ever.

I've suggested he buy a rural block in the Adelaide Hills(Strathalbyn,Echunga etc and sit on it for a while)Agreed action is required.Those who sit on their arse shall not be rewarded.You got to live close to your work though......... so a rural investment is a step in the right direction for the short term.

[jetute]

Um zapper.I just mean that the "Australian Dream" is getting too far out of reach for the rank and file.Not sure why but someones running the place?A typical Adelaide suburban house is around 300-4000000 dollars.At 10 percent deposit a young couple has to find 28000 dollars plus(minimum + 7000 dollars first home owners grant) to qualify for a home loan.Personally I've never had 28000 dollars cash (or in the bank)in my life- ever.

I've suggested he buy a rural block in the Adelaide Hills(Strathalbyn,Echunga etc and sit on it for a while)Agreed action is required.Those who sit on their arse shall not be rewarded.You got to live close to your work though......... so a rural investment is a step in the right direction for the short term.

there are new finance packages offered almost on a daily basis... these newpackages allow people to afford that first new home.... lenders are now lending 105%, there is investement lending (where someone else pays the deposit(the investor) for a return on investemnt when the place is sold) etc etc etc...

it can be done..... times are changing and we need to change with it.... house prices are not coming down with a new govt... they will just continue to go up...

Edited 10/05/07 11:12 AM by jetute

[ZAP]

I understand your frustration, but it is all about supply and demand.

In Sydney the state government (Labour) normally release 7,000 blocks of land per year. For the past 5 years they have been releasing 3,500 and it is falling to under 2,000 this year. They have also decided to start a user pays system for core infrustructure like hospitals, parks, etc. This has added over $30,000 to the cost of each and every acre of land that is used for development.

I am not sure about the S.A government, but the local Labour tossers ARE responsible to some effect int he crazy Sydney house prices.

In 1971 when I was borne, my parents bought a house in Mosman (VERY post sydney suburb) for $30,000. At the time my dad was a senior executive for Levis and earned just shy of $3,000. This makes the old fasioned equasion of one years salary for the car and 10 years for the house.

Now in 2007 the average house price is $500,000 and the average wage is about $50,000. Still the same formula is in effect with $50,000 for the T

[Buf-Phoon]

Depends on what faith you put in polls, but under the NSW Labor Government here in Sydney the "people" believe that they need a minimum of $100k P/A to just to eek out an existence.Most surveyed said that will work longer hours in the year ahead.Couple that with an average of 2+ hours per day commuting, what gives?

The company I work for respects and encourages work life balance, the scenario above does everything it can to destroy same.Government policy should be about protecting and nurturing family values , not chopping them down. But you already know my views on over Governance.

Do I see a mass exodus to other states? Yes , it is already happening with cities like Brisbane starting to feel in a major way infrastructure pinch as a consequence.

It is all in the planning, not for now, but for the future. Which generation? which political party will start to manage in the appropriate fashion? Unfortunately none !!

Who pays? Your family and mine

Buf-Phoon for the sack state governments party

Edited 10/05/07 11:35 AM by Buf-Phoon