Federal Budet 07

[XR6T8080]

Blonk,

I may or may not have missed something here, but, how does your lesson in self restraint, waiting and the delay of instant gratification, sit with your seeming need to set point to point speed records (as per your post above) and more generally, how does it sit with the much admired, albiet not cheap, kinda fast tubo cars that are the main subject of the forum?

Regards,

aa

Well it certainly doesnt sound like the labour guys will be making any more valid points.

If anybody would like to bring up GST, the home owner grant, & while were on the home owner grant, the fact that states havnt released enough land (LABOUR PROBLEM) to keep up with the demand (before they winge about soaring real estate prices).

Did you know that the Dr. Patel scandel has been blocked by Mr. Beattie from ever happening again, the nurse that complained and ultimately got the doctor caught, has now been blocked, along with all the other nurses in QLD from ever making a complaint of such nature again.

Cant wait for my first operation in hospital, Thanks Mr. Beattie - you moron.

And as one of the other guys mentioned on the forum, what about the water supply, I didnt know that rudd stopped a dam from being built in qld, but now I do.

I do however know that they were forwarned some 2 years ago that we might run out of water (pretty important warning you would think) and nothing was done.

These are all 'Mission critical' parts of the country, you guys are complaining about a few minor technicalities on overtime, workers rights etc, which coinincidentally has been met recently by the howard government anyway, so your out of things to talk about there...

When there is a clear failure of Hospitals (QLD HEALTH) and the water service, right throughout the country. (both labour problems)

As with the war, there are so many positives that are going to come out of any war, and any army trying to test out their new gadgets, when they dont get a chance any other time.

Do you realise that Radar, The Compact Disc, Morse Code, um jet flight, the mobile telephone, The INTERNET are all products of war. All the big descuveries are tested on the battlefield, which eventually, make it into our hands. These things arnt to mention the improvements that will be made to womens rights in iraq, employment, the gross national produce of the nation, its a sad fact, but for progress to be made in any country, people die, it has happened time and time again over history and it will continue to happen.

The difference these days is that we have 'conflicts' not war, you cant call it a war because its not vietnam, it is a conflict. personally I think bush, and everybody else should ship a bucket load more troops in there, and sort it out, because I too do agree its gone on for too long.

Wes

[tab]

@ tmac Edited 09/05/07 10:08 PM by tab

[XR6T8080]

I would also like to add to all the relics of SEQUEB & Telecom that are using this site...

Guys, youve had your time, youve been on the cops back for 10 odd years, maybe longer, you all have your giant pensions and super funds (both I might add) youve had good holidays, nice relaxing days at work on the deck chairs.

This is time for business guys, time for the small business man to make a buck, all these things that are happening with australia are good, and I dont understand why you fight it, when most of you have made a fortune out of john howard, yet you still winge and complain about how poor you all are.

And I think I speak for all the small business guys when I say that it does get passed on to the workers.

Go get your trade, your HR licence, some sort of skill, stop standing around holding a stop sign telling us all that $45,000 a year just isnt enough for that responsibility.

Labours had their go several times in the past, all of which sent the country broke, ranking up massive foreign debts. Howards turned that all around, hes running the country more like a business and less like a government, which is fine by me.

If you want things to happen - VOTE FOR HOWARD

If you want to see union protests on the news every night, and go back to the days where there was 10 telecom guys standing on a corner having smoko 5 times a day - VOTE FOR LABOUR

Labours a dinasour, and needs big changes for it to work.

I would also like to add John Howards dad was a Self Employed Motor Mechanic. (hat goes off)

Wes

[Blonk]

You will have to follow me up next time Scotty, I can do Coffs to the Gold Coast in 3.5 hours easy pace, best was under 3. Coffs to Kempsey 1 hour and twenty minutes, if I dont stop in Nambucca for a wave. Need to take the Grafton high level bypass, and the Teven / Ballina bypass. I was doing this run every second weekend for nearly 3 years.

I agree though that heavy vehicles on the road are recipes for personal disaster and infrastructure damage. The problem is until we become much more of a less greedy society and dont require our spares, TV's, fruit and veg immediatly it is fabricated or grown, there is no other way to move around these goods at the great rate at which our society demands them.

Unfortunaly our governemt (whom ever it may be) has the questionable distinction of trying to regulate capatalism and our need for instant satisfaction.

Goods, money and services and we want them now, and when we dont get them we blame the authorities.

I have a 3 year old that has better understanding of waiting than most regional centres.

Blonk,

I may or may not have missed something here, but, how does your lesson in self restraint, waiting and the delay of instant gratification, sit with your seeming need to set point to point speed records (as per your post above) and more generally, how does it sit with the much admired, albiet not cheap, kinda fast tubo cars that are the main subject of the forum?

Regards,

aa

The first paragraph was not directed at you, and pertained in no way tro the rest of the post. Unless your name is Scotty and it takes you 8 hours to drive form kempsey to ocean shores....

It takes me 3.5 hours to do the trip at the speed limit, maybe 5k over at times with the shortcuts mentioned.

We live in very lucky times, I for one have seen the construction industry change over the last 20 years and have never seen working conditions as good as they are now... Some construction workers on old agreements are making their $27 an hour with holiday, sick pay, overtime etc. all bargained for bythe unions... I also employ a lot of Subbies who are usually twice as productive and pay upwards of $85 an hour flat rate for their services......

I for one have never been on a wage in my 20 year working career and have always charged what I wanted and always been paid... It is a competitive market and with 38 hour weeks, RDO's once a month, with the introduction of 2 RDO' every second month... All work related items tax deductable, the price of a new car only 6 months wages. Homes can be paid off in 10 years. Nobody can say we are in bad times (unless you are in Iraq watching your brothers sisters, children and mothers getting body parts blown off them, living with no sewage, power or running water because of a foriegn invasion..).. These great conditions are replicated all over the western world and there are many different governments running each different country and yet they are all prospering (unless you are in Afghanistan were the hostile local invaders will shoot you up just cause they are pizzed off) .. And I agree the western world is booming

1/ because of China

2/ because of the invasion of Iraq and the fact they have enough balls to fight back.

We are in good times, any monkey could have got us here......

[XR6T8080]

Doesnt change the facts that when labour was in power, we had no money, howard in power and were debt free.

If any monkey could have done it, why didnt labour?

Doesnt sound like the unions did a very good job of bargaining then? if you think people are getting $85 an hour? and the unions only got them $27 who are these people on $85.00 an hour & what roles are they doing, are you talking the builders? the ones spending their own money to make the things happen?

If so there worth $85.00 an hour, and the subbies following him around on $27, sounds right to me, add on holidays, super etc. the subbies are probably on more like $35 - $40 an hour, when you work it out from the builders end.

I think most people on this forum would think $27 an hour is quite good for somebody that is on wages.

Wes

Gold Coast

[Blonk]

I think a most cafe workers are on over $20....

I would die a short miserable death of starvation on $27...

I will give you an idea of what hourly rates are currently in my proffession if you read the attached doc.

Remember, labour was out before the boom in China and the Invasion of Iraq.

2 key elements in the success of the local economy

Keep in mind there are over 15,000 engineering jobs in Australia right now that we are having trouble filling even on these rates......

[tmac450]

We are in good times, any monkey could have got us here......

Then why is it that the majority of our Labour controled states can't manage it? They've never had more money than now, yet they are in debt and poorly infrastructured. The Federal Govt. keeps giving them money, the Labour states keep pissing it up against the wall.

[Blonk]

Then why is it that the majority of our Labour controled states can't manage it? They've never had more money than now, yet they are in debt and poorly infrastructured. The Federal Govt. keeps giving them money, the Labour states keep pissing it up against the wall.

Crazy.. You blame the government for the drought, I suppose the americans are blaming the government for the Hurricanes and flooding.

I guess the european governments are to blame for the clold snap last winter, and the outbreak of bird flue.

Doesn't matter how many times goverments change, one thing that will never change is people whinging about them.

Particularly us Australians because we most of our ancesters were whinging poms.!

I am working on Water projects (as are lots of my colleagues) across QLD and Vic. and believe me when I say, nothing of this scale has been undertaken since the Snowy Mountains Scheme.... And that job pales into insignificance compared to what is happening at the moment.

Problems will always occur in life, its those that find the solutions to problems that are the true leaders. This is a Car Forum and I understand ford comes here for reference material, however I doubt our politicians do.. If you want to make a difference, get involved in local council, join a political party, speak from a soapbox, but here, we will, always share different views, and maybe all of us are wrong, or maybe none of us are wrong.

Now I will sit out of this one

[Buf-Phoon]

maybe all of us are wrong, or maybe none of us are wrong.

I was wrong once , but I was mistaken

[Kimberley Scott]

I get paid about $1.70 an hour.

Scotty