Federal Budet 07

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  turtle33 said:

Einstein hey, GGF'd .The painter on my site today ( subbie) will turn over 90k this year, $25-$35/hr, must be top tradies AS you said "turn over" not profit. Dont forget that I pay guys like you so I have a fair idea on what the trades earn/turnover . For the record painters are the lowest paid. Go get some contracts for your self or a few guys working for you and we will see how long it takes you to crack 75k FFS. So in turn over terms 75k aint much .I really couldn't give a rats arse if you like new houses or not. 75k is a lot of coin but in turn over it relates to about 14k in real profit (for me or a few other trades.) so what was your point in attacking me? I am at the top of the trade world and im the one who cops the crap if it all goes wrong. Mate for me to earn 75k I will turn over around $1,000,000 (new houses that is) reno's prob close to 600k decks around 550k. If you are working for 25-35 flat rate, then your going backwards. Give me 50 tradies to work for this $'s and I will take em all next week. AS for your comment about most tradies working for 20-35 on new work, who? plasterer nup, brickie nup, plumber no way,sparkie lol yeah right , tiler never so really that leaves painters. Maybe some sub-sub contractors but definately not a sub contractor. And if you think im wrong then let me know and I will send you some invoices for some jobs. Ps for the record my painters charge me $380/day so if they only worked 5 days a week for 48 weeks that's 91k +

I wasnt attacking you, you were actually attacking anybody earning less than 75K, which city are you in? rates differ from city to city, melbourne and sydney are on much better money than brisbane and the gold coast.

My family comes from an age where the builder actually built the bloody house, I.e. layed the bricks, poured the slab, sheeted the house, painted the house all by him self etc. etc. with no other help.

I never said I dont like new houses, just I wouldnt bother with new work whatsoever, we do repaints, renovations, and dont touch new work for a large variety of reasons, reason 1. its all cheque, reason 2. you work for a builder who could very likely go bust which happens all the time. reason 3. everybody fumbling all over each other on a building site is nothing but a royal pain in the arse for all involved - im sure you know what I mean.

And you dont pay guys like me, I am like you, im truly self employed, not a sub contractor working for you, my family has been in the building and reno game for a couple of centuries now.

were can charge 300 - 400 (I say CAN charge) a day on the gold coast depending on the job, who your working for etc. but I can tell you that chippies are on about $40 on the coast, subbieing, everybody else is on anywhere from between $25 - $40 an hour, you'll get the odd few higher than that, but that's what it is mate. I cannot tell you the rates for sydney and melbourne, because I dont live there, and frankly dont ever want to.

One of my best mates is a builder, just got his licence to do 4 storey walkup (or is it 3 im not sure) he just got his house painted inside and out (brand new 3 coats) for under $8,000. He asked me if I could match the price and I laughed, so it would appear to me that subbies are on a bit less and the rest of us.

Oh and on a final note,

here are the federal awards for the following trades...

Registered Plumber - $18.64

Carpenter Joiner - $17.64

Plasterer - $17.63

Tiler - $17.53

Bricklayer - $17.45

Painter $17.17

This is for WA, which is going to be pretty much the same everywhere.

Oh and by the way theres no need to gloat, your on a good thing so great, no need to get in to childish insults, your after all the most intelligent and most wonderful person in the world being a builder arnt you? im sure you can come out with something better than GGFK'ed, all the rest of us are just sh*t kickers after all arnt we.

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  wesleytarbuck said:

I wasnt attacking you, you were actually attacking anybody earning less than 75K, which city are you in? rates differ from city to city, melbourne and sydney are on much better money than brisbane and the gold coast.

My family comes from an age where the builder actually built the bloody house, I.e. layed the bricks, poured the slab, sheeted the house, painted the house all by him self etc. etc. with no other help.

I never said I dont like new houses, just I wouldnt bother with new work whatsoever, we do repaints, renovations, and dont touch new work for a large variety of reasons, reason 1. its all cheque, reason 2. you work for a builder who could very likely go bust which happens all the time. reason 3. everybody fumbling all over each other on a building site is nothing but a royal pain in the arse for all involved - im sure you know what I mean.

And you dont pay guys like me, I am like you, im truly self employed, not a sub contractor working for you, my family has been in the building and reno game for a couple of centuries now.

were can charge 300 - 400 (I say CAN charge) a day on the gold coast depending on the job, who your working for etc. but I can tell you that chippies are on about $40 on the coast, subbieing, everybody else is on anywhere from between $25 - $40 an hour, you'll get the odd few higher than that, but that's what it is mate. I cannot tell you the rates for sydney and melbourne, because I dont live there, and frankly dont ever want to.

One of my best mates is a builder, just got his licence to do 4 storey walkup (or is it 3 im not sure) he just got his house painted inside and out (brand new 3 coats) for under $8,000. He asked me if I could match the price and I laughed, so it would appear to me that subbies are on a bit less and the rest of us.

Oh and on a final note,

here are the federal awards for the following trades...

Registered Plumber - $18.64

Carpenter Joiner - $17.64

Plasterer - $17.63

Tiler - $17.53

Bricklayer - $17.45

Painter $17.17

This is for WA, which is going to be pretty much the same everywhere.

Oh and by the way theres no need to gloat, your on a good thing so great, no need to get in to childish insults, your after all the most intelligent and most wonderful person in the world being a builder arnt you? im sure you can come out with something better than GGFK'ed, all the rest of us are just sh*t kickers after all arnt we.

not gloating at all, I work insane hours for what I have. You did attack me in you reply (remember the einstein comment, I thought that was childish) Mate im in brisbane, I bit back at you because you come in here and profess to knowing whats what in the building industry, and then you got all defensive when I dissagreed with you. As far as you having any idea what others are paid in the industry, I beg to differ, from what you typed you work for/with your dad (hence the sub-sub contractor comment). So as a contract painter that employs maybe 2 guys how do you profess to "know" what the industy is paying? I employ every trade you could imagin within the building industry, and I pay these same people so I KNOW, not assume to know ,what the industry rates are. As far as fedral awards go, what you quoted is some type of wild pipe dream, 20 years ago tradies were getting more than this. I think its you that has some twisted view of what builders are, you obviously engage in the "them and us mentality". Once again (I will state it in big letters as not to confuse you) I SAID 75K TURNOVER ,NOT EARNING 75K. If you have little or no material cost(as you stated) then you are a SUB-SUB CONTRACTOR not a SUB CONTRACTOR as the SUB CONTRACTOR would be SUPPLYING the paint scaff/ tressels etc. I stand by my earlier statements that not to many sub contractors will have a turnover of less than 75k. Sub-sub contracting is actually against the law so hence it dosn't enter into my comments. Show me where I even hinted that all subbies are sh*tkickers. As far as paying "guys like you" all my guys are true subcontractors so it's not ment as some form of attack,it's fact. As far as where your family comes from, what weight does that bring to this arguement? I would really love to see just one man do a 580m2 3 story house by himself, it can be done but not commercially. I really dont see you point of view, you seemed to argue that 75k turnover is a lot and I disagreed and then you went on atleast a dozen different tangents? What exactly is you point? I thought I made my point buy quoting what my subbies get paid (I can prove it by way of invoice if needed) you on the otherhand sprouted off about how everybody on the coast works for 25-35/hr barring a select few. Mate I do work on the coast and maybe just maybe I got the select few. For example a shop fitout at southport 2 weeks ago. Plasterer $49.50/hr tiler $63.80/hr or $45/m2, sparkie $88/hr, painters $380/day + $45/day travel all the others were quote to supply/install. For the record I did the carpentary (so there goes you theory bout builders being too good to work with the sh*tkickers oops I mean subbies) So there you go industry rates on the coast as of 2 weeks ago, all backed up by invoice not some bitch session over smoko or at the pub. Pm your ph numbers so next time I need painters and or subbies on the coast I can call you and you will save me thousands. For the record , I hope labor and rudd dont get in.

Edited 01/06/07 01:08 PM by turtle33

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For what my opinion is worth......................

I work in Finance and economics in one of - if not the largest Fund Management companies in Oz, and let me pls tell you my opinion (reflected by our Chief Investment Officer and Portfolio Managers) on the preferred caretaker of the Australian economy.......

If Kevin Rudd and Labour gets in, my advice, for those of us with mortgages, go to your lending institutions and fix your rates for the long term. Rates will go up, not instantly, but they will go up. Labour are in power in every state, letting them in nationally is going to be a BIG mistake. Johnny may not be as photogenic as Kev, but I know who I would prefer runining our economy. God damn people, don't stuff this up!

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I'll tell you again, im not a subbie

Its great your on a good thing, but you dont speak for the entire building world. Those rates I told you were the federal awards for Western Austrailia, I know people get higher than this, my point being that there are people around working for alot less than you mentioned. You must have a good reliable crew that you pay quite a bit more than other places - good for you.

do you know how far $1000 in paint will actually go? obviously the material outlay in carpentry is much higher, you dont have to be a sub sub contractor to have stuff all material outlay.

If I painted a house on my own for $3,000 for 2 weeks labour, and did it continuously for 12 months that's $78,000 less $8000 - $12,000 in paint approximately.

so that would leave me with around, oh I dont know , say $70,000 ??? or $66,000. less phone less fuel, less everything else that most people cant ever claim (people in jobs still have these expenses) now I dont know about you, being up with the richard bransons and all, but that doesnt seem like 'chicken feed' to me, or a whole lot of other people on this forum.

This is theoretical, and not actual of course. Im going to find a news paper and get back to you with a few more figures, at the end of the day, my point was, to say that 75,000 turnover (which is what I was talking about) any way you work it out, is not chicken feed, and that you probably offended alot of people on this forum, myself not included, but it was a stupid thing to say, considering a lot of people in this forum probably are earning under $50,000 busting there guts to pay off their shiny new XR6 Turbos in some jobs and probably working very hard to do so, so its just a general put down that I dont think is very fair on a lot of poeple.

look were from completely different worlds from the sound of things, im cant/wont go into it here.

Wes

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Tutle, do you claim your forum membership?

not being a smart arse, just wondering if you do / can? I would think you can.

Wes

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Claim it for what?

Oh and would someone please fill me in on what the f*ck you two are on about?

[Laner]

I think they are negotiating a painting sub-contract, the way its going, I might offer to splash a few litres around

Edited 02/06/07 01:25 AM by Laner

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  F6 RAPID said:

God damn people, don't stuff this up!

I agree.. if they get in, and control everything, there will be no balance & this will go down hill.

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  Laner said:

I think they are negotiating a painting sub-contract, the way its going, I might offer to splash a few litres around

Are you a sub-contractor or a sub-sub-contractor?