Federal Budet 07

[jetute]

yeah 75 turnover is bugger all for a builder, as I said, I would say you dont speak for the rest of the trade world however einstein... your in a working at the very top of the trade world, and your material outlay is huge, having to pay everybody else to do the work of course. youd rack up 75 k half way through a house.

Most tradies are on 25 - 35 an hour on new work, chippies 45 - 50 an hour.

so for some other tradies 75 turnover could be mostly profit for some trades. to say its chicken feed however is just a stupid comment, most people think 75k is really good money no matter how its worked out, remembering that we can claim car, phone, dog food for crying out loud, and just about everything else that a payg person cant do. so 75 to me is more like 110 to somebody on wages.

mate im also a painter running my own little business employing 4 full time staff and alltrades apprentices when I need them.... I use to charge $35 an hour until a smart bloke told me (a member of this site) that im under charging.... I now charge $45 an hour and have more work then I can poke a stick at. and more on some jobs!!

98% of my work is new work and I definately am happy with whats happening ATM... that said I dont do project builders that pay didly squat... It isnt worth while my time and effort and thre are no profits to be made... I dont understand why people work for next to nothing as there is no need to. I have my SQM rates that I stick to and I will not come downon them... There is so much work out there... an average 350sqm house should pull in around $21K + GST.

I am happy with the way construction is moving ahead atm!!

the southern states make much better money though

Edited 11/05/07 06:37 AM by jetute

[Blonk]

I use to charge $35 an hour until a smart bloke told me (a member of this site) that im under charging.... I now charge $45 an hour and have more work then I can poke a stick at. and more on some jobs!!

Good bloke too I heard..!!

Pity your not up north here mate you could charge me 60.........

Turbofalke, I am also a PM / CM and most construction workers here on average are taking home $1800pw with a 6 hour saturday, 10 hour weekday, RDO's PH's, sic, super, bus, and redundancy..... And we are losing them weekly to the mines who are paying much more..... The army and the police force cannot even keep staff in NQ at the moment because some of these guys can leave there (mostly) cruisey government number, negoitiate an enourmous AWA and take home up to 3 grand a week....

What Turtle says is exactly right.. He is domestic builder and knows tradies and his rates well.. I doubt if you work for any of the top 5 construction companies because the rates and wages you talk about are pre 2004 rates... Not in touch with large scale construction......

[Mr X]

The guys in the metal/mechanical trades are on a lot less money than the figures quoted above,why I don't know.SA has a mostly heavy industry based economy.These are the sorts of people struggling to buy or qualify to buy a house.As it becomes more difficult for them,less of them will vote liberal.

[ZAP]

Lets get back ON TOPIC.

This is about politics, not contract tradies

I hope that Rudd shows his true colours before the election, so we can all see what we really might get as a PM.

In Australia, we vote people out, not vote them in. We are also known to keeping a party in if we are happy and secure, this is the country at the moment.

[Blonk]

Zap loves his political dabates........!!!!

[jetute]

Good bloke too I heard..!!

yeah his not too bad a bloke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u know him??

sorry for off topic zap

Edited 11/05/07 10:07 AM by jetute

[Laner]

yes its true we all like being comfortable, and when happy this is fine..... everybody is quick to jump on the labour nsw govt. for being incompetent, and yet less than 6 months ago they waltzed back in for another term....why??

is it because we're all a bunch of "Norms", happy to sit on the lounge and watch the world pass us by, or because the Liberal option was weak and un-inspiring??

we all know politics and politicians are full of sh*t, maybe the only difference between Labour and Liberal is who's holding the wheel, and personally, if that is the case, I think a change in ship's captain is long overdue.

John Howard continually proves he is too old and too distanced from what real people experience on a day to day basis....and Peter Costello is a snake, even Howard does'nt trust the guy!! Maybe Kevin Rudd will bring some new eyes and ears to what will innevitably be the same old.....

my personal situation will probably not be affected either way, but I know my frustration with Howard and his bunch of merry men will see me looking for a Labour box to tick come election time

[Blonk]

yeah his not too bad a bloke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u know him??

Only sometimes.....

Other times he's a deadset furkin maniac.....

Bet ya never got him in ya sauna but... even though ya tried!!

[Laner]

ummm, sorry Buf-Phoon, but I'm sure you were gunna agree with me

[Buf-Phoon]

yes its true we all like being comfortable, and when happy this is fine..... everybody is quick to jump on the labour nsw govt. for being incompetent, and yet less than 6 months ago they waltzed back in for another term....why??

is it because we're all a bunch of "Norms", happy to sit on the lounge and watch the world pass us by, or because the Liberal option was weak and un-inspiring??

we all know politics and politicians are full of sh*t, maybe the only difference between Labour and Liberal is who's holding the wheel, and personally, if that is the case, I think a change in ship's captain is long overdue.

John Howard continually proves he is too old and too distanced from what real people experience on a day to day basis....and Peter Costello is a snake, even Howard does'nt trust the guy!! Maybe Kevin Rudd will bring some new eyes and ears to what will innevitably be the same old.....

my personal situation will probably not be affected either way, but I know my frustration with Howard and his bunch of merry men will see me looking for a Labour box to tick come election time

John Howard's age has nothing to do with it, does he have the ability to successfully run the country....track record says yes. Peter Costello a snake ? Just maybe the best treasurer this country has seen and has recovered this country from the deep mire it was in under Labor.

Costello should probably receive more credit than Howard for the country's current well being as he has been instrumental in the running of the machinations of government policy and investment.( note invest, spend is what Labor does and then willy nilly when they do)

As for cRudd he is one of the grubbiest individuals to come out of Qld (Tab excepted), if Costello is a snake this guy is a snake oil salesman !!

Did any one listen to the mono tone drivel that was the oppositions reply to the budget?

Talk about a squandered opportunity in an election year pppfffft. No rebuttal, no alternate strategy, just token acceptance of the Governments position.

This was a Labors big chance to offer an alternative, what did they do ...... nothing, absolutely feeble at best. The Rudd honeymoon is over and the press are onto his latest and dwindling perception that he can LEAD this country.

As for Gillard , mark my words, she will become a politcal Albatross before too much time elapses. In short the "norms" will be better off working hard , negotiating profitable AWAs and generating some individual wealth in the current positive environment or be muzzled and down trodden by the needs of the union coffers in furthering their own needs in the future.Which is of course control of the Labor party.

Don't kid yourself that Rudd is not a controlled puppet of the union movement .If he wasn't he would not be there, and if he isn't he won't stay.

Australians will get there chance to vote, though it would appear that the great unwashed are unable to understand the simple philosophies required to successfully manage a nation

PS The Libs in NSW are a farce if we can re-elect Labor given the absolute shammozzle this joint is in, farking disgrace given the revenue they recieve per capita V other geographies

And no sorry I was not going to agree