Cold Air Induction

[Falchoon]

  harasn said:

I have seen other ssinductions stuff before and for what they are they are way over priced! and the workman ship in the air box is pretty ordinary.

better off using a GT airbox and ducts. much neater and better for the long life of the engine and other heat stressed parts!

Surely that airbox is not modded by SS Inductions? Please tell me you did it yourself Ian?

Problem with GT airbox is obtaining one, as you know one generally requires VIN of GT before Ford will supply. Herrods most likely have something out soon, if not already.

[GOLDIE]

Yes the deflectors have been added for the air intake.it has not affected engine temp even on hard hill climb, also colder air into motor helps it to run cooler and by adding a oil cooler to the engine also helps by cooling oil in motor thus helping to cool motor,the cooler does not cover any of the intercooler and has no effect on air flow on air cond,or rad. this is a very open oil cooler allowing a lot of air flow.as for the air box this was fitted in a rush the night before the brisbane get tigether and I have not had time to tidy this up yet.after having the bumper bar of to fit the oil cooler the amount of air to the gt air intake is very restricted past the headlight assy and would have problem getting enough cold air in. In normal driving the temp gauge is reading one needle size cooler and has much improved consumption.

Just to the temp of oil the cooler the engine oil the longer the life of turbo and internal engine parts as they do not get cooked.

[harasn]

so your saying that the testing we have done at ford is a load of crap?

we tested it, and in my opinion what you have done will affect your warranty in a huge way. Your engine oil, power steering oil, trans oil and air conditioning will all have been affected for the worse. The temps will have risen by quiet a bit and if all your going off is your coolant temp guage then that wont show it up! after all the radiator fans will try and help that out!

certain conditions and your going to get yourself in trouble if you leave it like it is. hope SSinductions are up for helping you cause I don't think ford will with the mods you have performed!!

have fun but dont complain that your engine, trans and ac dont get covered by warranty!

each his own.

I find it funny when people think that they can do a better job than ford/Expensive Daewoo at certain things and that what ford/Expensive Daewoo has done is wrong! We test for everything, you test for what?

sure I like faster cars and better handling cars but in this day and age where styling has more to do with what the finished car looks like rather than what the mechanicals need, when you do something like this air intake upgrade and its flaps are in the way of the little bit of room left over for the radiator and the like, its going to cause trouble. no matter how much you think it wont!

[plonky]

Have to agree with Harasn! The front end treatment of modern cars doesn't allow for much air flow.

I do know that with SS has an overheating problem and as such the small premium plate is to be used on the car if possible. Depends on the area they are destined for (country NSW or city, cold or hot climate) A similar thing has been done with the Falcon.

As you will notice the front end of both the Falcon and Brand Crap no longer have the driving lights and the little light bracket, but have little red and blue things (a waste of time quite frankly) and the front is to be kept clean every day. I'm quite happy to chat about the problems with Brand Crap (as I can;t stand driving the things) but I remain mute about any developmental hiccups with the Falcon.

A cold air box/induction is great for the car (my WRX certainly enjoyed it) but it's pretty hard to improve upon the design that Ford (or any manufacturer for that matter) has come up with.

It is much simpler to have fun with bulk horsepower motors such as the 440 Magnum in the Dodge, and it is easier to modify things that were designed over 40 years ago!

[GOLDIE]

I am not saying the testing ford have done is crap.But after 23 years as a ford trained mechanic with also some exereince with racing cooler engine cooler oil is always better for the motor.if a temp gauge show cooler is not true than why have them fitted.also the fans are not running any harder.

[Guest IMTRBO]

I agree with harsen on this topic these guys dont test cars for nothin and you are going all that way to increase 5-10 kw max why even bother you want power remap the dam ecu with an uni chip atleast that way if you stuff your warranty up at least you get 40-50 kw and prolly not much more than you spent on all the oil coolers and induction plastic ...... I feel sorry for your radiator to be honest ..... If you still fill hungry for power get a larger intercooler cost your around 1500 for a garret one and that is what I intend on dooing with fornt air dams you usually try to get more clean air into the car not reflect it back out ohh well .... I hope you dont crack that head

[Guest esky]

I just want to know the under bonnet temps before and after the mod.

If you havn't done these, then what are you basing your testing on??

[plonky]

I guess another way you could look at it, if you modify/increase the ECU to provide increased boost, remap the program for the auto(if you have one), allow for the increased load at the differential, compensate for the increased fuel pressure by way of a fuel cut defender etc then you may go a long way to increasing the performance of the car.

Modify the exhaust....increase the diameter, fit silencers that are no longer triple chamber but straight through (totally illegal with the EPA in NSW...it must be exactly how it was produced including the same number of silencers etc....I know boooring), replace the standard blow off valve with one that vents into the atmosphere (again an offence under the EPA rules in NSW....big fine for a big wank sound) remove the standard airbox and replace it with a rampod style filter to let in more air (again a big fine with the EPA and again....nothing but a big wank), and you still really haven't improved the performance of the car from standard.

The WRX is a different animal and the XR6T will eventually go the same way. The WRX benefited from having parts developed (at great cost and research to make sure that it complies with the relevant legislation) by companies such as STi, Prodrive and I would speculate MRT (in a milder form as they are more for off road work).

These products are then proven and compensate for the middle ground that FoMoCo would be required to maintain for a standard production car. I would wait until specialists that have the codes to read the EECV and have access to developmental data to buy proven products for your car. I think FPV would be the ideal company who may expand into these fitments at a later date.

The amount of garbage that is available for the WRX compared to the amount of good gear is totally imbalanced. With my Subaru the only thing I bothered to put on my car was gear that Prodrive recommended. This in particular included suspension gear and I elected to retain the 16" wheel as Prodrive stated that they were the best compromise for grip, strength and longevity.

I hope some well meaning people don't learn expensive lessons for the sake of trying to think the aftermarket is bigger and better than the manufacturer.

Gearboxes, diffs, clutchs etc ......are all expensive weak links for big power increases. It's not like you can bolt a Ford 9 inch/Chrysler Dana 9 1/2 inch/Chrysler 8 3/4 inch rear end into the back, or find a 727 Torqueflite/Top Loader/Nu Process A833 gearbox, to drop into your car. Steel cranks, rods, aftermarket alloy heads by Indy/Edelbrock etc don't grow on trees.

I know for a fact that Subaru Australia would have guys spy at the drags to record rego numbers for Rexes and correllate them with the cars that are returned for warranty matters. If you think a successful business like FoMoCo or Brand Crap don't do things like that then you're kidding yourselves!

[Falchoon]

  plonky said:

I know for a fact that Subaru Australia would have guys spy at the drags to record rego numbers for Rexes and correllate them with the cars that are returned for warranty matters. If you think a successful business like FoMoCo or Brand Crap don't do things like that then you're kidding yourselves!

I've heard similar things mentioned by people over at LS1 forum.

[GOLDIE]

Just finished driving 450km of different driving conditions with a KANE-MAY 5 channel temp logging unit fitted up with a probe insine air intake tube after air filter,one intop of rad at the top hose connection,one for ambient air,one for oil cooler inlet and last on for oil cooler out let.

The day was warm and dry on the gold coast as always 25 degrees.

This is a sample of the readings I got.

first set spirited driving on hinterland roads corners,straight,updown bites

air intake temp19.8 degrees

rad temp 93 degrees

oil temp inlet 65 degrees

oil out let 45 degrees

ambient 22 degrees

hard accl up steep incline of 1.5 km length.flat accl will only get car to 135km per hour up incline in D from standing start.so is a good test for heat build up.

air intake temp26.4 degrees

rad temp 100 degrees

oil cooler inlet 62.5 degrees

oil cooler outlet 50 degrees

ambient 22 degrees.

next stuck in traffic at idle speed for 1 hour (help)

air intake 73.4 degrees

rad temp 97.5 degrees

oil cooler inlet 69.3

oil cooler out let60 degrees

ambient 23 degrees

next on highway to brisbane at 115 km per hour

air intake 16 degrees

rad temp 86 degrees

oil cooler inlet 35 degrees

oil cooler outlet 30 degrees

ambient 20 degrees

it appears that with the ss inductions air intake and deflector and my engine oil cooler have not afected cooling of motor and air cond at all if any thing it has helped.

All test were done with a/c on,2 front windows down,stereo on and lights on to load motor up as much as possible and test the cooling to the max.I do not see any problem with fitting the cold air intake unit.As stated before the fuel consumption as got a lot better and the throttle respone is graetly improved over stand air intake.

This has improved the driving experance of this car.