Toyota Aurion Trd To Take On Hsv & Fpr

[Goobz]

The other problem with these high powered FWD cars is the traction. Tehy claim 250kw, but if you boot it off the line, to prevent the whell spin the T/C is probably only giving you 100kw any way. Turn the T/C off and watch what happens. Smoke show central...

The power just isn't useable in a FWD. Show me one high end sports car or race car not based on a production model that's FWD. They don't exist cause FWD is nothing but a cost cutting exercise.

And yes I have owned 40+ FWD cars so I know what I'm talking about.

Chris

[01txr]

Fat Tony spot on with your comments.

If you have never owned a hi po FWD car you would not know how they react to cornering.

I have owned a mildly tickled 88 mod Ford tx5 telsta turbo 2.2l 18v 5spd with exhaust and intake mods.

These not jap but kiwi telsta's could pull 240 kph stock from factory.

I beat a few ss's ,wrx's & silvia's with this car.

At same time my younger brother had a tx3 4wd turbo laser with same mods plus a little more than std boost, he would pull about 4 car lenghts on me on the start because of trackion problems but once over 60kph I would pass and leave him sitting , come to corners don't even bother as I learnt my lesson real quick when I first bought it, It decided to head for a big hard solid power pole, :oohwoah: .

It's torque steer would have you taking up a lane and half.

But hay what size tyre's they running on it, with 700 diameter and 400 tread width they might just go all right.

They will need a 200kw power steer pump to power the steering though.

They will regret this car as you would have to be stupid to purchase it.

In my opinion who ever made this decission to build a 250kw fwd will face a firing squad once it shows poor selling ability .

Have you ever looked into a v6 fwd engine bay, not much room, hate to see there turbo set up, you won't even have room to make mods.

Then there is heat problems with cramped engine bays.

Can't wait to pass one sideways while he's heading for the pole with his torque steer.

[FPV TRANNY]

Not turbo.Supercharged dude

I too have had a modified TX3 fwd running all the usaul bits and peices and 12 psi.God dam it went well but it was a nightmare to get off the line fast and was a bitch to steer and handle.I reckon that Toyota should release it but it will be a poor seller The Hilux might be a different story but price will answer that one

[Buf-Phoon]

  thebrunks said:

Old FoMoCo could take a leaf out of Toyota's book!

Toyota tuff!!!!!!

If Toyota compete head to head with HSV/FPV, they'll definately eat into their customer base. The old Ford vs Expensive Daewoo stuff is starting to die as is the V8 Super Taxis especially after the *beep* Kelly fiasco of last year.

It's time for a 3rd player in the market place & TRD have the guts to do it!

Bring it on I say, they're as Australian as Holden & Ford anyway!

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Any sales of the TRD will eat into HSV/FPV sales. Different market from the stocko's. Your avearge Hi Po Joe will just make the the value/reliability equation.

Personally I have come across a few VRX 3.5s that do go well In a straight line you will beat them eventually, but they seem to get off the line pretty clean By eventually I do mean second to third shift.They are not all slugs and the Aurion will be no exception in the future

[turtle33]

  tquarrell said:

I'm with evil F6, why do they persist with front wheel drive?  The benefits are reduced cost and weight, however with a big engine I'd suggest front wheel drive is far more expensive and adds weight.  380 and aurion are as heavy and expensive as falcons and commodores so what's the point of it?  The only fwd car I like (but wouldn't buy cause I prefer rear wheel drive anyway) is the maxima.  It's 1480kg's, and has the 350z engine.  What is it with australians buying toyota's anyway?  They rave about reliability, but the diesel hiluxs dad has had for work in the past are absolutely sh*t.

The next thing is supercharging, no thanks.  can't see these things holding a candle to the xr6 turbo zf 6 speed stock, (or any xr6 turbo for that matter) not a hope in hell of competing against the typoon or a modded to (edit only as we know puts the T in another league to stock).  Seriously, why would you want one?  And as for reliability, if you leave the xr6t stock you want have a problem, if you modify it properly and don't take short cuts you won't have a problem.  Ford's or any straight 6 for that matter is inherently stronger than a v6 due to main number of bearings and moving parts

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race one in the rain racer boi.

[Laner]

now for my say..... I dont really see the point of writing em off completly yet, the bloody things havnt even hit the production line yet, ya never know....they may be awesome, FWD or not. they look the part IMO. every man has individual tastes, people put sh1t on me for buying a family car when I havnt got a family, its my choice, and I just tell em to p1ss in their boot and swim home.....the point your all wondering?? wait and see what they end up like, it'll at least be good to have something different to beat, cause all the SS's and rice boys are getting boring!!

[ford268]

my mum has a nissan X trail 4wd but fwd when driving normal and it is rediculous in the wet and its completly stock. you rev it as little as possible and still get wheel spin. and that's a stock x trail so I would like to see what happens in the wet with a 250kw aurion.

[Falchoon]

I don't think an X-Trail is a good comparison as they are totally different cars for different markets. X-Trail is obviously a soft road recreational family car type vehicle whereas the Aurion is a performance type car and would be designed with FWD 250kw in mind. They don't just chuck a hipo motor in and and then sell straight to public without testing and tweaking. Not saying it will be perfect, but not as bad as everyone thinks. Different tyres will make a huge difference alone.

[turtle33]

  Falchoon said:

I don't think an X-Trail is a good comparison as they are totally different cars for different markets. X-Trail is obviously a soft road recreational family car type vehicle whereas the Aurion is a performance type car and would be designed with FWD 250kw in mind. They don't just chuck a hipo motor in and and then sell straight to public without testing and tweaking. Not saying it will be perfect, but not as bad as everyone thinks. Different tyres will make a huge difference alone.

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not one of the "know it all" performance "guru's" here have even seen one let alone driven it and aready a piece of sh*t. FFS grow up, it may not be your cup of tea but rest assured it will have its good points. So what will we all say IF it does arrive with awd?

Edited 22/03/07 09:28 AM by turtle33

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