Clipsal 500

[BALLBREAKER]

Hay guys lets not forget the VE is a new car & can only get better with time,The BF is on its last legs,Not saying we cant win but they did trow this one away. What makes a great driver better than an other keeping cool under presure,Rick & Tod did this very well.Lap recoreds that's  bull sh*t THat didnt win the race.CHEERS BB

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Geez you're hard to please mate, not happy with a lap record! Granted he didn't win but that was probably because of the engine mapping problem and not from lack of trying on Courtney's behalf.

I think your comment about the BF being on it's last legs is a bit drastic too! Makes it sound like we should be ringing the wreckers! The BF is obviously not on it's last legs if Courtney can get a lap record out of it and ther were 5 other BFs in the Top 10.

The VE seems to be going surprisingly well for a brand new model car with very little testing having been done.

This is only the first Round, plenty of others still to come, plenty more opportunity for the BFs to show the VE what winning is all about.

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Mate its not that im hard to please,Lap recored didnt win the race.Mapping yeh maybe,but that how u win a race its could prep.He is a big talent but he blew his chance just hope they learnt this now.As for the VE its gana get quiker will see if ford can keep up ,hope so,CHEERS BB

[Mr X]

Whats with the fibreglass front guards on the BF's with the extra big flare and the shortened cabins on the VE's?The back door on the race cars (VE)is shorter than the road cars.Nascar here we come?Carbies next?

[Adam]

The VE race car has to be shorter and lower than the road car so it complies with Project Blueprint.

[Mr X]

Yep gotcha.Both cars are identical constuction under the skin?I guess a longer wheel base for the Late model camira shell would allow it to have a handling advantage over the Falcon shell.

Only real difference is bodywork/aero package and engine block?Is that correct?

[Adam]

Even though the body and aero package looks different they are designed to have the same, or very close downforce and drag values. The aero package on the BF for 07 has reduced aero compared to 06 to put it on par with the VE.

As for engine blocks I'm not sure what the go is there.

[01txr]

Yeh we got beat by the wheels car of the year which has already had two recalls.

If only everything was as how they come from factory, GMH wouldn't even finish a race.

I read a while back with the production races that the crummy was able to use after market conrods and pistons as the oem units weren't durable enought to cope and that they would not finish a race.

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The Ford was unable to do same as they said the Ford internals are quite cabable of standing up to the rigors of racing.

If only the public was aware of all the things that GMH do to win a race.

How great has the crummy been over the last 10 years with its 21 recalls.

I think Ford Australia hasn't beat that record even if you count the recalls since Ford started in Australia.

Ford will always have to fight to win as long as GMH get to dictake the rules.

Come on Multi team ownerships, better aero packages, alloy engine blocks, allowed illegal suspension components, weight penalities, racing room penalities, crossing the little yellow line penality, balacrava penalities, murph & *beep* kelly take em outs etc etc.

What do we know of the aero package just look at the AU frontal difference 16kg to 60kg crummy front, how ridiculious.

I though the extra gurners lip (the one attached to boot lid under rear wing)was for the gmh cars only till they where up to speed on the Ford R&D on the new engine style, have they still got it as I didn't notice on the weekend.

It wouldn't surprise me if they are allowed to run a power adder to help them beat Ford.

Why can't Ford use current motor as it can fall nicely into 5.0l catagory. Wah wah wah poor gmh would cry as they don't know to build a reliable pushrod v8 little than a hi tech quad cammed piece of engineering like the Ford master piece.

Just my 2 cents

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I have heard that the engine blocks in the gmh cars are a Ford windsor style block as the same with heads , I think there was either higher roof ports or larger valves allowed for gmh cars at start of blueprint.

The engine was moved back to same location as Ford engine and front suspension set up also from Ford.

Not to certain on the ve with what changes have happened.

[01txr]

Quote from shadyxr:

Avesco & Tega, I think about 20 bucks will buy you the information you are chasing.

My view:

And if you have the money gmh have you can get alot more.

[tmac450]

I don't know if these points have been bought up but here goes:

The VE winning is no indication that the new car is fantastic and that it will only get better from here. The comments from Ballbreaker are quite naieve to say the least. The VEs raced are essentially the same as the previous race cars, just with new skins, Snozza and Smelly both said the same thing.

Also, did anyone else notice that the four cars from the Walkinshaw cheat camp were the only Holdens in the top 11. If that doesn't proove they are getting an unfiar advantage over all other Expensive Daewoo teams then I must be on the wrong planet.

And, I recall a couple of years back on V8 Superstars, Russell Ingall indicating that one of the reasons he switched camps was because he was sick of the one way street Expensive Daewoo created as far as data sharing was concerned. He claimed that Perkins and all Expensive Daewoo teams (in return for Expensive Daewoo sponsorship) has to supply all of their testing data. But, only the HSV teams were had access to this.