BRAKE SHUDDER ISSUE

[Guest]

I ticked the premo box because I knew I would do some trackwork,Come to think of it ,my salesman was p!ss!ng in my ear to get them.SWMBO not happy jan,but we got them.Ford are stupid for not making premos standard issue and brembos the next option.For fug sake it is a sports car ...derr... sports cars should have the best brakes around,Im with you folks ,class action,Ill sign the bloody thing...WAKE UP FORD!!!!!!

[ktford]

I'm all for having a go at Ford over this even though I've been fairly lucky. I'll say that I'd rather use the site to create a BARN BUSTER price of an alternative price/solution as I don't believe anything will come from Ford for free. I'd rather we go to them (Ford) & other brake manufactures & negotiate a price for site members for a bulk order! (500 sets of calipers/pads must command a good figure)

500 stickers running around on our XR's proclaiming

"Brake dramas? Dial 1800 shudderfix!"

Just my thoughts.

Scotty

[1axr]

I purchased my vehicle before I knew about this site, so I had no idea of the brake problem, I did not intend to race my car and I would not spend mega bucks doing mods to the motor if I thought the brakes could not handle it.

I purchased a performance vehicle and expected it to handle and STOP like a performance vehicle. I DIDN'T HAPPEN FORD.

I don't know what we can do, maybe if the owners of the site or the moderators could start up a petition that we could all sign and then send it to geoff polites and then the press if no action is taken from there.

[Guest Mr Walker]

You all bought a "budget" performance car but didn't spring for the extra $$ for the brakes. Alot of you spend decent cash to increase the HP on your cars and still don't touch the brakes. Maybe you should have ticked the box for the bigger brakes......some of you are still ordering "T's" and not upgrading the brakes after reading all these pages of gripes.

Maybe alittle of the blame should be shouldered by the "informed" consumer for buying something they know is substandard.

Bzzzt.

I bought a budget performance car and I expected budget performance brakes - not substandard brakes.

That's the difference here. I knew these brakes would not hold up with hard use and would probably be only good for one lap around a race track, but for street use they should perform adequately. And they do perform adequately when the shudder isn't there and are therefore fit for my purpose.

So let's not get these two things confused. If people aren't intending to 'race' around the streets and are travelling at taxi speeds then 'taxi' brakes should be adequate - but they aren't.

Go a step further - buy an XT 220. The performance is better than an XR6. Upgrade the brakes from the factory? Sorry, no can do.

[dattoman]

I'd rather we go to them (Ford) & other brake manufactures & negotiate a price for site members for a bulk order! (500 sets of calipers/pads must command a good figure)

I'm happy to do some figures for the WA guys

Maybe some options...

4000 series discs - Ferodo pads for the guys that want to stick with the stock stuff

AP4 or 6 spots on 330mm discs for the 17" wheel guys

Brembo and 6 spot AP's on 355mm discs for the big wheelers

Only need 5 cars of either option to get a bulk deal.....not 500 (not that there would be 500 WA guys)

[Dagabond]

i don't know what we can do, maybe if the owners of the site or the moderators could start up a petition that we could all sign and then send it to geoff polites and then the press if no action is taken from there.

Dont make me repeat myself again. :lol:

A place to start.

http://www.petitiononline.com/petition.html

I doubt very much that CJ would be interested in initiating any kind of legal battles against Ford with the forum.

And should not be called upon to do so.

Your calling the shot's Sid the links there and it's all free, you just have to point people in the right direction.

[1axr]

dagabond

I'm sorry for trying to get cj and the site involved in this matter.

but as you can tell it is a very sore point with myself and other owners and when the emotions are high you don't think as clearley as you should.

thank you for pointing out the petittiononline site to me.

maybe what I should have asked was if you could set up a survey of all those who would be prepaired to sign a petition or not.

dattoman

thanks for the offer but you may have missed the point.

I could upgrade my brakes anytime, but why should I when it's the responsability of the manafacturer to produce a vehicle with some sort of saftey and reliabillity.

[NT TURBO]

So any takers for someone to word this petition properly....

[DanielXR8]

To everyone with brake shudder problems. I honestly believe that the problem is caused by expecting way too much performance from the standard brake set

Mate that would be good, but since when does 3500Km's of driving up and down the Pacific Highway, New England highway etc from Armidale to Wollongong, Canberra and places in-between constitute driving that is putting too high an expectation on the factory brakes? That is exactly the type of driving I was doing with the family on holidays when the brake shudder started to appear on my manual XR8. There was no speeding, no excessive braking and nothing that could be called by any stretch of the imagination anything other then normal driving. Any one of dozens of makes and models of cars could and would have done this trip with no problems in regard to brakes. I could have taken our EL Falcon, as I have in the past and not had a problem.

I have owned two EL Falcons with standard brakes and experienced nothing like this. Sure they barely stopped you at times, and were really marginal from a safety point of view, but they didn’t shudder like the BA ones do. One of the EL's I still own and is an automatic, so you would think if it's my driving style, then I should of had a problem after 6 years on the original rotors.

No this is a design defect in the BA Falcon - pure and simple.

It is very much souring my experience of the car and I can't believe after twelve months of one customer after another noting this problem that no real fix for it has been made available from Ford. I'll give them another six months to come up with a genuine fix and by that I don’t mean machining the rotors and stuffing around with other cheap and nasty fixes that don’t work - I mean they offer a genuine fully thought out, hang the expense we want to please the customer, type of fix. If one doesn’t come along, then I will just let them keep on doing their quick fixes until I am suitably frustrated with the car, sell it and not buy another Falcon. You don’t have to be an accountant to figure out that if enough Falcon owners like me do that, then the cheap fixes Ford has done up till now, wont look such good value to them with the loss of sales. Heres hoping some of the executives at Ford Australia have wised up to the potential damage this could cause their sales expectations for Falcon in the future. The BA is without doubt in many ways the best Falcon that Ford has ever produced. This problem however could be its undoing.

Regards,

Daniel

[NT TURBO]

Well no-one seems to give a stuff about taking any form of action - as 1axr said, so I will pursue this issue on my own.