Speeding

[ENVY-T]

well said envy-T 

shaz

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Did I surprise you Shaz?

[sex on wheels]

ANDREW50.

Your words of wisdom have obviously fallen on some very deaf ears here, and that is why we still have such a high death toll on our roads. It's a self-centred need for a "thrill", coupled with driver immaturity, that primarily has been the direct cause of many families having a lifetime of mourning their lost loved ones.

ENVY-T

Losing a young son or daughter or brother or sister or friend, is very different to losing a grandfather who has lived a fair bit of life (obvious because the wake had plenty of stories to tell) ....compared to a wake of a young person where there is much talk of "what could have been their life" as opposed to "what was"...therein lies a very BIG difference. Grandfathers can be very special people in our lives (mine were) and I respect your loss enormously also.

One of the men in our circle lost his best friend when he was just 8 years old, due to a driver speeding, and running his friend down whilst crossing a road going home from school (he saw it all happen). He is now in his mid twenties and still clearly remembers his friend, and the reason he is no longer walking this earth. It certainly has made him a careful thoughtful driver, who is not looking for an "adrenaline rush from speed".

I had a cousin who managed to kill 2 innocent people in his driving life (on 2 separate occasions, due to speed) and he NEVER learnt the lesson about speed, one of those people he killed was his own mother!!!!! He then went on to kill an innocent young man just a couple of years later. There were also multiple car wrecks in between the deaths. He couldn't get a licence in NSW as his driving record was so bad, so he moved to Queensland, where he killed his second unsuspecting innocent victim. No relatives attended HIS funeral as we all saw him as a selfish killing machine with no regard for human life once he climbed behind a wheel. He showed no remorse or sorrow at these deaths. You see not all drivers are "sane", or capable of making rational road respecting decisions.

I held his mother's hand as she lay dying ...I have no need for speed, there was no greater lesson in life for me.

To the young man who started this thread and is still grieving...your feelings of saddness and loss are very normal and a credit to the depth of who you are as a man, take as long as your heart and soul needs to go through this painful passage, you do not have to follow anyone's else's timeline. Grief is unique to all of us, if your recovery was instant then I would indeed be concerned about your lack of empathy.

[Slymeat]

The problem is that a lot of people believe they are much better drivers than they are, racing speeding etc is best left off the road and at the track were there are appropriate safety provisions like the profesionals do. It is wrong to just blame young drivers ie - p platers as they learn there behaviour from us. To add another point from my experience 15-25 year old drivers are not the ones killing the greater percentage of people they are just getting the greater share of media coverage, it is the 30-50 year old experienced drivers, this is from my experience only and is not gospel. If you ever have the missfortune of seeing something like this happen and you learn from it alls well and good not all p-platers are evil incarnate and can drive appropriately. Remember it is not just experience but how often it is practiced, all skills demish without practice so you might have 30 years experience driving to church every Sunday 5 kilometers up a straight duel lane divided bituman road, how does that make you more skilled than a driver with 5 years experience who drives 100 kilometers in all traffic conditions every day of the week, since the day they got there licence. The only way to rate your skill is to think how good you are half it and then its still overinflated. Experience comes with practice, but does not stay unless it is constantly challanged the fact you have not had a collision is because luck has been on your side, if you don't makes mistakes then you cannot learn. This is my rant and is not directed at any person who has replied as I have not yet read all the replies.

[Slymeat]

Its OK... You have had a drive death close to you and you have brought it a little closer to us.. Like I said I think we all have thought about our youth and our driving (and even the way we drive now)....

Unfortuantely this is the result of driving a car fast without lots of experience... We will never know the true cause of these accidents until they put black boxes in cars.. And that is probably not far around the corner..

Do you know that in a head on smash a speedo needle is designed so it will hit the back of a speedo and leave a mark detectable by microscope.. The investigators will know exactly his speed when he hit...

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There are already data loggers ( Ie black boxes ) in our cars, the manufactures say they are not there, because they do not want to succum to litigation, the ones that agree that they are there then they say the data cannot be retrieved which is also bolderdash as it has been done ( we just cant read it yet because they wont supply us with that ability to read the results ). As far as the speedo goes I would like to say this is utter nonsence, but I do not know for sure what I do know is that any reading or inprint on the speedo cannot be used to determine the speed of the vehicle at the time of the impact and cannot be used in court, although it can be used as an indicator to point to speed and justify the expence of a crash recostructorist.

[Slymeat]

Firstly, there are no ACCIDENTS only CRASHES.

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there Zap.

Couldnt have said it better

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I live by this fact.

[ENVY-T]

FMD!

I wouldn't expect anyone to just Get over it quickly, I wasn't asking him to, but you need to. I still shed a tear in certain moments when I think of my family that has passed on. Your friend is a prime example, he remembers it clear as day 15 years on, but he has a licence, lives a good life and has learnt his lesson very early in life.

Like a moth to a flame, or as I say to my 5 year old, why do the same thing all the time, expecting to get a different result? Some people just never get over this childish part of their brains. It's then that the courts need to sort all this sh*t out.

[harvyk]

I wrote back and asked if the 'budget' would allow for saving lives and what value they put on people's lives. I thought the handball was an absolute disgrace and it has only fuelled my anger further.

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I remember hearing somewhere that a value of a human life is around the $100,000 mark. This is roughly the amount a loss of life is likely to cost the gov't on average.

[sex on wheels]

Slymeat,

We HAD a "repeat offender"... he has now gone to annoy another family thank goodness!!! He started his bad driving record at the age of 17.... 18 years later is STILL being booked for speeding offences, etc. etc. he ain't ever going to learn about speed and the associated tragic end results. I would hate to see him driving in old age, he will still have the need for speed coupled with less agility to apply the brakes in time

He is looking to add more speed to his machine all the time and spends thousands to achieve just that. He is like a repeat drink driver...some of them just can't stop the habit.

He considers himself a "top notch driver", reckons he can handle everything the road can throw at him ...travels reasonable volume of k's and would say his bad driving record was due to the amount of time he spends on the road, (the more you're driving the more chance yu've got of being caught).... trouble is the rest of the family can lay claim to that same fame, BUT MINUS the regular speeding fines and accidents. It also demonstrates a lack of self control, people who speed often demonstrate this in other areas of their life as well.

It made me laugh when I found out only the other day that he was the only one in the family who use to receive a regular Newsletter from his local Smash Repairer You see THEY recognise he will be needing them again SOON

I agree with you entirely you don't have to be young to be a bad driver.... he has proven that to all of us and my cousin the "killing machine" was NOT a young driver either. The 4 youngest drivers in our family have NEVER had an offence against their names, and I am happy to be a passenger alongside themspoton:

The reason given for the "high premiums" for young drivers is they DO fall into the category of coming first in the accident race stakes unfortunately

I reckon mobile phones would be giving ALL AGE GROUPS A FAIR CRACK AT THIS TROPHY these days...they should be banned from being used in cars - hands free is still a life threatening distraction .....e.g the boss rings you whilst your driving around to tell you just how unhappy he is with your sales figures....of course you will concentrate harder on your driving.... derrrrrrr. The husband rings to tell you that he's got the sh...with you and is going home via the pub..now your hearts really pumping and so is the accelerator. The girlfriend rings to say it's all over...yep everyone else on the road becomes an annoying assh...automatic need for speed, suicidal thoughts for some, rejoicing for others... either way the need for speed or I didn't see that car on my blind side when I changed lanes because why....I was talking on the bl....phone