Speeding

[XR06T]

blonks post rings very true.. if I was you andy I'd be taking all my mates to the track and get some expierence learning what can happen and how to control your own car, as unfortunatly you will end up having a drag on the street, we all do..

its just knowing the limits of your skill and car and being able to do something about it.

sorry for your loss and may your mate RIP.

[Blown BA]

Very sad indeed..........ALWAYS remember that you respect the car you drive.

[tab]

I will not try to imagine how you feel, but I do offer my condolences for your friends and you.

When you've had a bit more time to assess this, and when you have had some experience on the road, you will come to realize that its not as simple as you see it right  now.

Time, place, concentration and experience play a big part in driver skills, unfortunately most people have to learn that on the road.

Just my bit.

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My thoughts exactly.

There's a massive difference between driving over the posted speed limit and driving beyond your capabilities/environment.

[Evil F6]

There's speeding and then there's being a complete dickhead. Drag racing in the city is asking for trouble. What there were other cars on the road, who'd have thought. Young punks, fast cars, alcohol and a lack of neurons all spell disaster. I could less about these selfish f wits, but of course there's the innocent victims as usual. The rest of us cop it in the arse because of this sort of sh*t.

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Evil F6 this wasn't meant as a sympathy post...I understand the circome stances and I know that the driver of the cars were altimantly responsible for this..as well as lack of experience ect.. I just thought I would share how this effected me. As somone mentioned above I am young, and havn't expereinced somthing like this before. Im sorry to anyone that may have lost mates or family members in simular cercome stances. I agree the media certainly arnt doing any favours to general responsible motor enthusiests, and its not fair the way they jump on situations like this and give all drivers of fast cars a bad name.

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I know it wasn't a sympathy grab, but I wanted to vent anyway about these numbskulls. Nothing will ever get through to them though. Unfortunately the day will come when the most draconian measures will be applied and we'll all suffer.

It's bad enough driving in Pigtoria as it without this sort of sh*t putting more pressure on. Can't wait for the Current Affair beat up saying anybody in a modified car is a sociopath.

[tmac450]

That is a VERY true saying

As for "Speeding" it is a word used way to often and usually out of context, just like the "Racisim" or "Hoon" word.

What happened was caused by EXCESSIVE SPEED and inexperience.

The problem we are facing on the roads is called "speed conditioning", and the blame is put squarely on the government advertising.  People think that as long as they do the speed limit they are safe, and that if they go over the speed limit by 5km/h they will die instantly.  This has caused people to watch their speedo and not the road and loose the ability to use judgement to decide on the correct speed.

Doing 110km/h on the freeway @ peakhour weaving in an out of traffic is dangerous and is also excessive speeding, even though they are not going over the speed limit.  This could also be applied in heavy rain or fog, yet it is legal.

BUT

Driving at 140km/h at middnight on the same freeway with no traffic is illegal and you are "speeding". 

How dumb is this ?

While I feel very sorry for what happened to Andy's friends and their families, there will always be deaths on our roads caused by young people.  This is a fact of life, the same as there will be deaths from drugs, firearms, alchol and anything else we do.

We should be educating drivers, not slapping them with fines.

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Well said. Everyday I see more and more s hitty driving on our roads. I was cutt off, blocked and butt sat on the same stretch of 90 kmh road in metro Sydney today, and in every case the ofendors were doing less than 90. Blaming speeding on everything is like blaming a gun because some twit pointed it at his own head because he didn't know better.

Driver education in this country is pathetic, but hey, why would the polies want to fix it. As it is they get more money for regos and licences and they get to rake in billions in fines under the guise of 'safety'.

[andyturbo]

Thanks for the reply's, appreciate them.

I just want to add, that the driver of this vechle was not taking any corners fast or drifting or anything of the sort. It was simply driving fast (that's why I mention the word speed). He was on a main road and a taxi crossed the road turning right.

So if the car was traveling at 80kmph would this have happend? while everyone will most likely say it could have been prevented..no one really knows. The taxi driver may still have pulled out and not seen the car.

I agree with what everyone has said, but I also want people to think carfully before saying 'ohh he was young and driving beyond his capabilities"...as I said previously the car wasn't being spun around or fishtailed it was simply just driving fast...and altimatly it WAS the taxi driver who was meant to give way as it was crossing a main road. But I am not trying to defend what happend in anyway the driver sped, and this resulted in the death of a young person. But I just hope people know the full circomestances before posting 'driver innability' as the main cause. Who knows even if it was a 50yr man with plenty of experience was doing that speed at that time, the taxi still would have pulled out (yes, possibly could have cleared the car,but maybe not) that's the point im trying to say but again I am not making any excuses..I just hope people can think about the situation before jumping to the usual conclusion.

Edited 14/02/07 08:19 AM by andyturbo

[tab]

Fair point buddy

Ultimately though he was driving beyond the prevailing environment - the first thing that they should teach as part of the licensing process is to be always cautious of the other idiots on the road. Don’t take me as a preacher though as the same could happen to anyone; we’ve all been there, done that and mostly escaped unscathed.

A big thumbs up to you for taking something out of such a bad situation.

[Blonk]

it was simply just driving fast...

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Built up area, Yep we understand............

Like Tab said... Best way to learn is to buy a motorbike... You get cars pull out on you almost daily.. You live to expect the idiot factor..... Called experience actually..

But thanks for sharing this with us.. I am sure it has made everyone here think a little bit harder.

Edited 14/02/07 08:25 AM by Blonk

[aniken]

Taxi probably pulled out expecting the car he saw to be doing 80, not 80 plus another 40 on top. Useless for us to speculate on the cause though.

[andyturbo]

it was simply just driving fast...

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Built up area, Yep we understand............

Like Tab said... Best way to learn is to buy a motorbike... You get cars pull out on you almost daily.. You live to expect the idiot factor..... Called experience actually..

But thanks for sharing this with us.. I am sure it has made everyone here think a little bit harder.

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Blonk at that time of night it isn't a built up mate.. Not everything is as simple as the media makes it..remember most people on this forum have only heard whats been on the news and paper, of corse the media are going to jump on any story like this and make the drivers seem the absolute scum of the earth. At the time of night this happend there is usually 1 or 2 cars at the lights...these were the only two cars on that stretch of road at this time. Once again im not trying to make excuses but I want people to get this sterotype 'young driver, inexperience, draggin in built up area" sh*t out of there head. every crash is different and the circumstances may ahve been the same even if it was a very experienced driver, we just dont know so I would appreciate it if ppl would stop steriotyping this.

I do apologise if ive made anyone angry by this, everyone is entittled to to there opionion. And im not having a go at you Blonk either.

Aniken that is a very good point, I realise that and I guess we'll never know

Edited 14/02/07 08:32 AM by andyturbo