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[BA-XR6T]

OK guys excuse the question, BUT is buying your own personal flash box mandatory in editing these cars? I coming out of an LS1 Expensive Daewoo to a T, and that was a case of simply getting the car tuned, paying the coin and see you later.

If I want my T tuned then I'll always have this little flash box right? So on top of its (flasher) purchase price I then have to 'BUY' a custom tune on top? This is the only way to load the tunes onto these cars?

Cant I just rock up to say CV and say tune it pay the money and drive out happy?

Buy the box, makes life easier. You won't believe how handy the restricted Valet tune can be when you leave your car at say Bob Jane or wherever for new treads and the likes while your at work, stops the apprentices going on a lunch run thrash and when you get it back simply re-flash it with your custom tune and away you go. The look of disappointment on the little sh*ts faces as you drive away is priceless

[discostig]

Thank god I have a day off mid week for that stuff! Hate leaving it at Ford for warranty work though >_>

[Grunt FPV]

Probably not the place for this question but does anyone have a xcal2 lying around there not using anymore, as I don't care if it's vin locked as I just want to use it to log my car!

Pisser what Pit Lane Says about if you want it safe leave it STOCK! Good Work!

Cheers Grunt FPV

[Dillz]

Mate comming from a company that make money from 'unstockin' your car I think that's astounding.

But It still runs true, you want to bitch about 'stock' security/reliability? Then leave the bloody thing stock.

[Grunt FPV]

Couldn't agree more, there's only so long everything can hold on when your pushing more boost & then add a bit of timing in on top of that & oh then lets cut out the fuel dump on the cat's & expect everything to hold on forever?

I Don't think so, obviously depending on how you drive & treat the car is how long it will last!

[Dush73]

Mate comming from a company that make money from 'unstockin' your car I think that's astounding.

But It still runs true, you want to bitch about 'stock' security/reliability? Then leave the bloody thing stock.

I would have thought running a lean tune, say a generic 10psi tune on a stock T is bringing it to its true potential without any detrimental affects long term(provided the car is looked after,ie regular service, quality fluids, & not flogged at every opportunity). I here so many times that the Ford tune to 4 psi is actually a de-tune. If they tuned it any better then why would anyone want an XR8(other than the sound), when a stock XR6T would put it to shame! Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, if someone could explain, all things being equal(on stock T), why would a custom tune of 10psi be safer than a generic tune of 10psi? I would have thought than the main difference is you may get a better Tune(power) on Custom, & custom Tunes are more suited to T's that have had other work done(ie CAT, injectors,etc).

[Dillz]

Because no two cars that come out of the factory are the same and if they differ enough from the car the generic tune was based on then you wind up with a blown engine.

[Samboc]

Excuse my ignorance, but I find this thread fascinating.

Why are they so different.

Engines designed and built in the 2000's are far better than 1960's.

If I got 100,000 miles out of my 64 Fairmont I thought I had done well.

Not much better in 78. Had to rebuild my 302 after 60,000 miles ( 100,000 KM )

Now I expect double to triple that ( 200,000 - 300,000) Km out of any vehicle.

My XL Fairmont did not use oil and had no rattles at 270,000 KM.

But all of a sudden Ford has gone back to the sixties. Slapped on a turbo and tolerances are any one's guess.

This is a serious question - Why do engines vary to the extent reported in all these posts.

I would have thought that a standard engine built to todays tolerances and reliability would all react the same to a tune.

Obviously I am wrong - but why.

Thanks all

[Dush73]

One would imagine with today's technology & everything being machine made, tolerances would be tight, hence little difference between vehicles....it certainly is the case in my industry(electronics) anyway.

So its worth getting a custom tune over a generic tune, I'm aware of that now, but for someone like myslef who has a pretty stock T(only F6 CAI & filter done), this is my daily drive so I want my vehicle to be reliable & last, how much of a tune(eg 10psi) can be done without any long term detrimental affects(keeping in mind the car is looked after), or is it a case of any tune will be detrimental? Was really keen to get it tuned but after reading the last page I'm kinda off the idea

[Dillz]

Excuse my ignorance, but I find this thread fascinating.

Why are they so different.

Sorry I can't help you with that one but they just are.

To me spending roughly $700 on a car that costs $20,000-$60,000 to make it usually run better then from factory and with more power but also ensuring that it won't throw a rod out the side of the block is a no brainier.

If all you want is a bit more power with out changing anything else go get a reputable tuner to tune it the highest but safest level the stock parts can handle and be done with it. If your still not convinced have a look at the ECU forum and go back of the years and see how well the Generic tunes have faired.