Avo Intercoolers

[RAP1D]

He's just saying that going from a small monza cooler to a bigger better cooling/flowing unit you can achieve the same power or more on less boost... same goes for exhaust.

Anyone can jam 20psi into a small IC and get a decent result, but use a better cooler and you wont have to run such high boost.

I had the same core as the monza cooler and it really couldnt cope with heatsoak in traffic on hot days, that's why I changed to a bigger core... but kw for kw on a cool day on a dyno the difference may not have been anything

[jetute]

He's just saying that going from  a small monza cooler to a bigger better cooling/flowing unit you can achieve the same power or more on less boost... same goes for exhaust.

Anyone can jam 20psi into a small IC and get a decent result, but use a better cooler and you wont have to run such high boost.

I had the same core as the monza cooler and it really couldnt cope with heatsoak in traffic on hot days, that's why I changed to a bigger core... but kw for kw on a cool day on a dyno the difference may not have been anything

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I ran 296 rwkw on 9 psi with the monza cooler (tuned by fist)... on multiple back to back runs I lost 4rwkw :spoton:so far its coped well in the hot, humid QLD climate 2 years coming up in a couple of months

whose jamming 20 psi in it??

[RAP1D]

He's just saying that going from  a small monza cooler to a bigger better cooling/flowing unit you can achieve the same power or more on less boost... same goes for exhaust.

Anyone can jam 20psi into a small IC and get a decent result, but use a better cooler and you wont have to run such high boost.

I had the same core as the monza cooler and it really couldnt cope with heatsoak in traffic on hot days, that's why I changed to a bigger core... but kw for kw on a cool day on a dyno the difference may not have been anything

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I ran 296 rwkw on 9 psi with the monza cooler (tuned by fist)... on multiple back to back runs I lost 4rwkw :spoton:so far its coped well in the hot, humid QLD climate 2 years coming up in a couple of months

whose jamming 20 psi in it??

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that's good to hear, but a bigger core makes such a difference.

Ive no idea who's jamming 20psi into one, Im just saying anyone can... I just speak from what Ive experienced, that's all.

Peace

[Sly_Bastard]

I thought I would just throw my hat into the ring. I would go the AVO cooler, it seems the best value.

After some research I found the sizes of different intercoolers, this is not to say the core sizes as they would be a lot harder to find and im lazy but just general cooler sizes as a guide. I am not also commenting on their effectiveness as some cores could be more effective than others but I thought it would be interesting to post it up.

This information would sway me to the AVO cooler on first glance.

All results are mm squared

450 x 300 x 75 = 10125000 Monza/Wog cooler

460 x 300 x 76 = 10488000 Plazmaman Stage 1 cooler

420 x 360 x 90 = 13608000 Process West

630 x 300 x 76 = 14364000 Hybrid

505 x 395 x 76 = 15160100 Plazmaman 1000hp cooler

508 x 351 x 89 = 15869412 APS

460 x 355 x 115 = 18779500 AVO

Could not find the dimensions of the ASE kit, sorry.

Maybe someone would like to get core sizes and then put that up against prices and then it would be a rather good guide for cost versus effectiveness.

Not sure if this will help anyone but it is interesting as a guide, I though anyway.

[SCRIBR]

is anybody from here running that process west one?

looks like a good unit

[Paul@eliteauto]

This car ran a prcess west cooler and good results

http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/index.ph...=0entry499163

[velociTy]

I thought I would just throw my hat into the ring. I would go the AVO cooler, it seems the best value.

After some research I found the sizes of different intercoolers, this is not to say the core sizes as they would be a lot harder to find and im lazy    but just general cooler sizes as a guide. I am not also commenting on their effectiveness as some cores could be more effective than others but I thought it would be interesting to post it up.

This information would sway me to the AVO cooler on first glance.

All results are mm squared

450 x 300 x 75 = 10125000 Monza/Wog cooler

460 x 300 x 76 = 10488000 Plazmaman Stage 1 cooler

420 x 360 x 90 = 13608000 Process West

630 x 300 x 76 = 14364000 Hybrid

505 x 395 x 76 = 15160100 Plazmaman 1000hp cooler

508 x 351 x 89 = 15869412 APS

460 x 355 x 115 = 18779500 AVO

Could not find the dimensions of the ASE kit, sorry. 

Maybe someone would like to get core sizes and then put that up against prices and then it would be a rather good guide for cost versus effectiveness.

Not sure if this will help anyone but it is interesting as a guide, I though anyway.

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Auto Sport Engineering (ASE)

450*450*76mm tube and fin

450*450*100mm bar and plate

Edited 08/03/07 08:37 PM by bcl

[simonhoare]

ii am pretty sure the size you have listed for the process west cooler is the core size ....any one?

Edited 21/02/07 12:56 PM by simonhoare

[SavageF6]

Also would need to factor in tube and fin vs bar and plate, as well as core manufacturer. Only Geeseman believes that core size alone defines how good the cooler is.

[gmax]

no experience with that cooler but if your looking for a DIRECT bolt in replacement the wog cooler will do the trick (monza cooler)...  and to top it off it is capapble of supprting above 350 rwkw... raphoon runs 355 rwkw through his I have had one for 2 years now and its still going great guns.

I personally would not grind my car for the sake of a cooler... how does structual grinding go down with the insurance company??

If your looking for custom piping etc etc and dont mind a bit of grinding... the AVO cooler sounds great!!! it certainly looks great and has had good reports on it.

good luck which ever way you go... theres heaps of choices now

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You can run anything through anything and get an increase in power. A mate of mine has a 9psi vortech blower on a 95 EF XR8. Car is stock as a rock and went from 127rwkw to 191rwkw. Does this mean that his HO manifold, 55mm MAF, E7 heads and standard cast exhaust manifolds were not restricting his power just because he could run a certain number higher than factory?

I'm not having a go at you here, but I've seen and read about people running 330rwkw+ through a stock XR6T exhaust with only mod being a cat. People automatically then assume that the exhaust is not restrictive. Sure it's a great exhaust from factory, but replace said 330rwkw vehicle with factory exhaust to a quality brand unit (APS, Nizpro ect) and watch the power rise with less stress on the engine by pushing the same amount of gasses through larger diamater pipes.

The same theroy applies with intercoolers. Just because the monza cooler is fitted to a car making a high level of power, doesn't mean that the cooler is not out of it's efficient operating range. I'd be betting at 350rwkw, if you just changed the cooler alone to a larger quality brand unit, you would see a massive gain. At that power you wouldn't get any lag associated with larger coolers either.

Now I'm not having a go at the Monza cooler as I think it's a good value budget replacement cooler. I would just be worried about compromising my engines longevity running high boost levels with a cooler that is out of it's optimal operating capicity just to save a few 100 bucks.

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out of its optimal operating capacity?? show me how??

oh yeah.. aps exhausts... not all they were cracked up to be either

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jeezus.... I ask about AVO coolers, and I have a muppet whinging about APS exhausts...

get a grip...

give me the facts, not yr washed up opinion on a different subject, or this would have been in the EXHAUST forum... hey, now wouldnt that make sense...

get over it...