ratter Member 6,793 Member For: 18y 6m 19d Gender: Male Location: @ my laptop Posted 25/07/13 12:37 AM Share Posted 25/07/13 12:37 AM are you an engineer? one of my customers is an engineer at ford and was involved in the front section, he has told me that even though it is plastic it is structural. Many cars these days use composite materials in the structural strength of the cars being built, it not heavy steel so much these days, believe it or not, the windscreen in most cars adds to the structural strength of the roof. Once that bar has been cut from the support, it is a panel shop job to replace the radiator support panel if a legit rwc is required, plus any other repairs from "trimming" the metal bars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never had any say Panda I <3 Floods Silver Donating Members 11,198 Member For: 13y 4m 15d Gender: Male Location: South West QLD Posted 25/07/13 12:57 AM Share Posted 25/07/13 12:57 AM Ratter is on the money.. So is tab..That's why windscreens fail RWC if cracked because they won't perform as required in an accident..If a part has no point it won't be installed..That piece of plastic may not appear 'structural' because it's 'brittle and plasticky' but the fact is that piece alone absorbing and breaking during impact could maybe absorb 20N of the force which puts you 20N closer to surviving..Some people don't believe it but even air boxes and reservoirs in cars are sometimes considered when determining impact absorption.. It really is an amazing field of engineering.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arronm Dropping a turd Gold Donating Members 9,520 Member For: 17y 1m 19d Gender: Male Location: Perth Posted 25/07/13 01:23 AM Share Posted 25/07/13 01:23 AM Its all good and well for people to cut any bits off their cars. BUT when a switched on insurance assesor notes the modified sections and rejects the claim. OUCH. Imagine if the car was written off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzMahoony Hench, but no longer shredded or tanned. Member 3,343 Member For: 17y 8m 18d Gender: Male Location: Canning Vale, W.A Posted 25/07/13 02:19 AM Share Posted 25/07/13 02:19 AM Hey guys KPM are willing to do them for 695$ if I can get 5 people. Postage 10$ express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masda74 To Loud Gold Donating Members 4,112 Member For: 13y 16d Gender: Male Location: WA, Perth Posted 25/07/13 05:09 AM Share Posted 25/07/13 05:09 AM Its all good and well for people to cut any bits off their cars. BUT when a switched on insurance assesor notes the modified sections and rejects the claim. OUCH. Imagine if the car was written off. Even when we advise our insurance companies? If we advise them of the changes made to the car, surely the insurances company would cover most claims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamIan69 Bronze Donating Members 401 Member For: 11y 7m 25d Gender: Male Location: WA Posted 25/07/13 05:15 AM Share Posted 25/07/13 05:15 AM (edited) Ill grab a tuner Aaron. No im not an engineer and yes I will be very upset if the car is written off and I am not paid out. I also said in an earlier post" this was only my opinion". I can understand the windscreen bit, just like the rear seat in sedans is also structural.What you say is correct, you got me on technicalities. If you hit the support bar with a 2kg hammer it will go through the support bar. The falcon weighs 1700kg + crew. So 30,000Nm(1800kg at 60kmhr). A 2kg sledge hammer would hit with about 30Nm of force. If a part has no point it won't be installed..The bar supports the standard cooler doesn't it? I have only done my car and I can't remember. Edited 25/07/13 05:27 AM by AdamIan69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamIan69 Bronze Donating Members 401 Member For: 11y 7m 25d Gender: Male Location: WA Posted 25/07/13 05:22 AM Share Posted 25/07/13 05:22 AM Even when we advise our insurance companies? If we advise them of the changes made to the car, surely the insurances company would cover most claims? I would say they would cover the car cost maybe, but if the engine ended up mounting the driver in a bingle and the turbo burnt his willy. They could easily say the front support bar is missing, injuries to the driver wont be covered. "IMO" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never had any say Panda I <3 Floods Silver Donating Members 11,198 Member For: 13y 4m 15d Gender: Male Location: South West QLD Posted 25/07/13 05:31 AM Share Posted 25/07/13 05:31 AM I think the front plastic bar also supports the bumper.. Could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peteos13 Donating Members 307 Member For: 11y 8m 12d Gender: Male Posted 12/08/13 10:26 PM Share Posted 12/08/13 10:26 PM Anything happen with the sct group buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzMahoony Hench, but no longer shredded or tanned. Member 3,343 Member For: 17y 8m 18d Gender: Male Location: Canning Vale, W.A Posted 12/08/13 11:07 PM Share Posted 12/08/13 11:07 PM (edited) I tried, but to be honest if you get a custom tune for around 1500-1600 (which includes the sct) its still cheaper than buying the box and getting the tune seperate. (Around 1k) so it would work out to around 1700 which means youre not saving anything. Edited 12/08/13 11:08 PM by AaronXR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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