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How many ppl are experiencing there car getting hot??

I'm not talking daily commuter stuff though..

On the track, or yesterday in fact, I find that ~8/10 minutes of hard driving sees the temp gauge creep up..

How many guys running over 300rwkw have had there car on a track, or EXTENDED hard driving on the street and had the same issues??..

It's fine for a blast thru the gears 3-4 times, that doesn't phase it one bit.

I went on a cruise ( well, low level flying ) yesterday and temps crept up 1/4 of the gauge consistently. Consider I lost brakes on the cruise and I could visibly see the turbo exhaust housing glow red, in the daylight, and you'll understand how hard she was being pushed..

Is there a bigger radiator option for these thing? I might seriously look into a remote oil cooler aswell..

I have the cooler thermostat installed, so when I say hot, it's only up to the factory temp setting (1/2 ), so it's not bad by any stretch, but on a track she'll go to 3/4 on the gauge..

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What an Engine Oil Cooler Does

Almost one third of the heat generated by the engine must be removed by the vehicle's two cooling systems. That's correct, your engine has two cooling systems. (1) The top of the engine: the area around each cylinder in the engine block, the combustion chamber areas in the cylinder heads and the intake manifold, dispel heat through the engine's radiator coolant system. (2) The rest of the engine: the crankshaft, bearings, camshaft, lifters, connecting rods and pistons are only cooled by engine oil.

The ideal operating range for engine oil is 180°F / 82 C through 200°F / 92 C. While operating within this range, the oil works as a lubricant, coolant, and cleansing agent in the engine. Modern engines generally run with radiator coolant temperatures between 200°F / 92 and 220°F / 105 C with oil temperature ranges between 20°F / 6 C and 75°F / 24 C HOTTER. In other words, when the engine is performing flawlessly, the engine oil is already overheating ! Oil that exceeds 220°F / 105 C rapidly loses its ability to lubricate and cool causing accerlerated fatigue and premature component failure.

You need one of these.

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We are having this problem and have had for some time.

WE got to 3/4 yesurday on a mountin criuse temp out side about 30 degree.

10 to 15 minutes hard mountin driving and the temp gauge read 3/4.

We have engine oil cooler and trans cooler mounted under the back with there own fan this has worked to keep there temp down.

We have the big pwr rad installed and this does not appeared to have helped.

I thought it maybe may grills causing the problem but now I know I am not the only one with this it may not be the cause.

We are running 335 rwhw at the moment.

Ian

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Hot weather and hard driving will do this.

I have the larger pwr radiator (+oil cooler), and normally the temp sits just over 1/4.

On the snowies cruise 3 weeks ago with some vary hard driving it went to just over 1/2. One of the stock standard cars had the oil temp light come on, then went into limp mode, and we had to pull over to let that car cool down.

On a track it would be harder again on the car. I'm not sure that I'd want to do track work on really hot days. It puts a lot of added stress on the cars, and hot temps and turbo cars don't go well together.

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  F6 UTE said:
How many ppl are experiencing there car getting hot??

I'm not talking daily commuter stuff though..

On the track, or yesterday in fact, I find that ~8/10 minutes of hard driving sees the temp gauge creep up..

How many guys running over 300rwkw have had there car on a track, or EXTENDED hard driving on the street and had the same issues??..

It's fine for a blast thru the gears 3-4 times, that doesn't phase it one bit.

I went on a cruise ( well, low level flying ) yesterday and temps crept up 1/4 of the gauge consistently. Consider I lost brakes on the cruise and I could visibly see the turbo exhaust housing glow red, in the daylight,  and you'll understand how hard she was being pushed..

Is there a bigger radiator option for these thing? I might seriously look into a remote oil cooler aswell..

I have the cooler thermostat installed, so when I say hot, it's only up to the factory temp setting (1/2 ), so it's not bad by any stretch, but on a track she'll go to 3/4 on the gauge..

Cheers.

Can't help with the cooling issue but I recon you should consider donating your car to the Ford Museum as testament to just how much abuse ( by normal standards) these F6 thingy's can take :nyyaah:

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  jordak said:

Can't help with the cooling issue but I recon you should consider donating your car to the Ford Museum as testament to just how much abuse ( by normal standards) these F6 thingy's can take :nyyaah:

Abuse?? What abuse??

If it does it, it means it was designed to be able to handle it.... ohh yeah, for a stock car.. :w00t2:

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Cheers guys.. Seems it might be an issue we have to keep an eye on.. Lack of underbonet ventilation won't help either..

I have also melted my power steering boot aswell ( drivers side )......... It's just a lump of rubber now :nyyaah:

The battery relocation kit from Nizpro has lost it's outer 'snake' casing, lost, well, that's melted too. I might have a look at relocating the relocation kit, as I'm not keen on melting my battery cables either..

I have spat power steering fluid out of the reservoir so the spill try has finally come into use

Oh, and the clutch fluid boiled................. I have Mal's kit here, that will go in aswell..

I bottomed the ute out 3-4 times and actually had the rear of the ute step out - cornering under brakes in 3rd :w00t2: much to the bemusement of my passenger ( The only time he grabbed for the door handle. :tease: )

Well, I 'spose it serves me right for chasing evo's and wrx's 'round corners.. Gotta love a roll on with a modified $300k Porsche though from 3rd to....... well a few gears later.... :nono:

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I'd love to put an engine oil cooler on, but just where to put it when you have a hefty PWR I/C and a dedicated trans cooler hanging up the front - there just isnt enough real estate!!!

I know Ian has one down the back with a fan etc, but it all seems a bit tricky!!!

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I suppose the Ute and cooling system was engineered for 550nm and 270fwkws and as such probably works reasonably well in high ambient conditions.

Allowing for a 15% engineering margin still doesn’t get us anywhere near what your running @ 750nm and 470fwkws so I suppose running a bit warm after some punishment is to be expected!!!! :fool:

All in all I think these things are built tuff as nails and to take what you have dished out over the last 70k is testament to that! Steve is right it would not be out of place in the Ford Museum. :msm:

Mmm I wounder how I would go in the dinosaur section? :Doh:

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  F6 UTE said:
Cheers guys.. Seems it might be an issue we have to keep an eye on.. Lack of underbonet ventilation won't help either..

I have also melted my power steering boot aswell ( drivers side )......... It's just a lump of rubber now  :fool: 

The battery relocation kit from Nizpro has lost it's outer 'snake' casing, lost, well, that's melted too. I might have a look at relocating the relocation kit, as I'm not keen on melting my battery cables either..

I have spat power steering fluid out of the reservoir so the spill try has finally come into use

Oh, and the clutch fluid boiled................. I have Mal's kit here, that will go in aswell..

... more notes on considerations of excessive heat/very hard usage:

On my car we had to relocate the clutch reservoir to the other side of the brake reservoir, as the heat from the exhaust melted the plastic cap and it fused to clutch reservoir.

Also consider an alloy radiator overflow tank, as the plastic item will probably crack sooner or later.

One thing I've been saying for a few years now is that people should be careful about running too thick an intercooler.... maybe OK for drag use ... but not for sustained track type usage.

.... I agree with your comment about under bonnet ventilation .... it is now a primary issue for me.

Brian

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