New Yz 450f

[turtle33]

kttttttttttmmmmm the only way to go you get what you pay for!!!

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Typically on the KTM you pay an extra 20-30% to NOT have dual chamber forks, to NOT have the lastest model Keihen carby, to NOT have linkage suspenson that's is inherantly progressive, to NOT have DOHC, and to NOT have an alloy frame....

Sorry what was it you were paying for ?

sorry but I just love a ktm sledging !

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If you're going to KTM sledge, show some knowledge:

The KTM EXCs have won every 450cc enduro bike shootout on OZ, NZ, UK and USA since the 2004 model.

They are generally only about 5% dearer than a new jap equivalant.

The SOHC head on the 450 EXCcs (SX snd 250 models are twin cam) is more reliable, torquier and easier to maintain (important for enduro competition).

They dumped their dual chamber forks in 2005 for more advanced valving designs giving their forks better feel, progression and adjustment without the risk of fork bind.

They are the lightest enduro bikes on the market, their chromeolly frames are lighter and stronger than the trendy alloy frames which aren't easily repaired, are bulkier, crack easier and too rigid.

Last time I checked, they were running the same Kehin carby as the Jap bikes, but different motors benefir from different carbies.

Not having rear linkages is a bonus as you don't have to constantly adjust, grease or replace the bushes. The progression comes from their ingenious rear shock and progressive spring set-up. Your comment on this would indicate that you have never ridden one.

What you do get is WP suspension, decent bars, decent std exhaust system, quality chain and quality components you'd pay extra for on Jap bikes.

Maybe you got your 20-30% figure from resale where a KTM will generally sell for about 20% more than a Jap bike, easily offsetting the buy price.

KTM riders have taken out just about every enduro title all over the world in the last 3 years. Not bad from a small producer.

But, all of that aside, dirtbike riding is a skill sport. Unlike cars, only the best riders are able to extract everything out of a standard bike. It makes me laugh to hear guys crapping on about power, weight, etc. Chad Read actually detunes his bike to race it as he finds it too peaky from the factory, the Recent 4 day enduro was won ourtight on a 250cc 4 stroke, and Shane Watts won a World 6 day enduro outright on a 125cc.

Also, unlike cars, there are no bad bikes out there from the main players, you simply can't go wrong, even if you buy a bike by colour. If you ride for fun, then pick the bike you like and have fun on it. If you want to race, pick something that you can be competetive on, and something you feel comportable on, if that's something smaller that doesn't wear you out then pick that.

The dick size, V8, bigger better thing just doesn't apply in dirt bikes.

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disco has been there and done that on all most all bikes, believe me he knows his stuff. I have ridden ktm's (almost every model)and so far I have only liked and felt comfortable on two of them, one had 4.5 k of steering mods and different cams, the oter was a works 200exc. You are right though , ride it, if u like it buy it. I challenge any one to ride my gas gas faster than you would do by just jumping on any other bike. Ride it against the clock not by your arse-o-meter either, they feel much slower than the kato but I assure u they arnt. By the way the GG 300 is touted to be the best enduro bike in the world atm.

[tmac450]

disco has been there and done that on all most all bikes, believe me he knows his stuff. I have ridden ktm's (almost every model)and so far I have only liked and felt comfortable on two of them, one had 4.5 k of steering mods and different cams, the oter was a works 200exc. You are right though , ride it, if u like it buy it. I challenge any one to ride my gas gas faster than you would do by just jumping on any other bike. Ride it against the clock not by your arse-o-meter either, they feel much slower than the kato but I assure u they arnt. By the way the GG 300 is touted to be the best enduro bike in the world atm.

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Fair enough. I have ridden a GG 450, but it didn't suit me, and I'm too lazy for a 2 smoker. That said, the GGs are dearer again, and they don't tend to have the resale.

One of my mates raved about his cr450, but I just couldn't get comfortable on it. Ithink I'll be switching to a 250f next bike and will definatly look at all available. Like I said, there's no bad bikes out there, and plenty to choose from.

[FPV TRANNY]

Im hearing you guys.Thanks for the replys.As I have said,I will stick with the yamaha.Im a good rider but im also used to my WR 450F.As some have said,there aint alot of differnce between th YZ@WR so I might lean towards the WR but I love the white colours of the YZ I know theres differences in other makes but the WR,s hold good resale aswell and I have vast knowledge of the engine and head so that helps me on my own servicing and valve checks.

I Reckon all manufactureres are building excellent bikes and that's a bonus for us as there all trying to beat each other at making improvements.

Cheers Darren.

On a side note,im heading to blackduck valley at 5.00am tomorrow morning so if anyone is out,just look for a blue WR going stupid

[NATHOON]

Yep the only difference with the yz is when you twist your right hand the size of the smile on your face when you get off (comparing the wr) but there a bit stiffer for the trail rides (suspension)

[Killbot]

Get a quad bike, I just got a Raptor 700 and they are awesome, I used to have a honda xr250r and its alot moer fun to ride. I dont think I would go back to 2 wheels after getting the quad.

[FPV TRANNY]

Well I just back from blackduck valley(dirt bike park) and I had a blast.The upside of the trip was I got my 4 y/o boy riding his pee wee 50 by him self.The downside is I dislocated my shoulder while jumping a 80 foot table top(BLODDY WR,S) Yeah im in a bit of pain so I decided to take photos of everyone instead. but I have come to my decision.Stuff the WR and bring on the YZ 450F.The way I see it is I will be riding 80% motoX now so the YZ will shiit on the WR in that respect and if I go trail riding the YZ has a 5 speed so I can run a 15/47 combo for the open stuff so I can crap on any enduro anyway with out having the dreaded tall first gear that the 4 speed had.

So im sold.I rode a KX 450F and CRF450R and preferred the KX out of the two and these days theres nothing in the ergo department with these bikes so I going for the realiability of the yammy engine and the colour scheme of the special edition white,grey and black.

I now know what santas getting me and by the way theres a well looked after 03 WR450F with extras,rebuilt motor and head with 18 hours on it with new tyres and new everything 4 sale.I will take $6000 even for a quick sale.

I garrantee you wont find one in its condition for the money.Its still registerd as well with all the lights intact.

Trust me its a bargain

Edited 12/11/06 06:54 AM by FPV TRANNY

[JBomb3000]

If your doing more Moto X than trail then the YZ-F certainly makes more sense. I agree totally about the reliability of the Yamaha, never had any dramas with mine.

How many k's has your WR got on it & where abouts are you?

[FPV TRANNY]

It has 8000k,s but I have just rebuilt the motor and have a full service record that I kept before I put the hour meter on the engine at rebuild time.From what ive seen around for sale not long ago,my bike is in excellent condition for 3 y/o and is about $800 cheaper then the cheapest one we found for sale awhile ago,which was a heap of shiit just like 4 others.They can be time bombs these bikes if your not carefull.

By the way im on the gold coast

[SAMSXR6T]

go with what your comfortable with but also dont get loyalty in the way of spending all your money on a bike..

[tmac450]

The downside is I dislocated my shoulder while jumping a 80 foot table top(BLODDY WR,S) Yeah im in a bit of pain  

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Ouch, been there, done that (three times, the last time dislocated shoulder, colar bone and three ribs with both arms in slings. Sneezing was a fun experience :3some:) so I can sympathise with you.

It's good to see it hasn't fazed you and you're already thinking of the next bike even before you've healed. I'm currently getting over a back injury and the doc told me no riding for a year after th op so I'm counting the days till I can go again (end of this month should do it).

Keep on roostin.