turtle33 Member 578 Member For: 19y 8m 16d Gender: Male Location: brisbane Posted 09/11/06 12:53 PM Share Posted 09/11/06 12:53 PM go a gas gas 300 2 smoker, it will smash the wr to bits in every respect. It will be better on the mx track to BUT you wont be able to run in the 250 2t/ 450 4t class. If u want to run in that class try the 250 t2 gasser. Its a bit more aggressive than the 300. Stick with the rego, u wont regret it. Dare I say it, even a exc250 t2 is better than the wr. I really dislike the ergo's of the ktm, but a lot seem to like it so just try it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewdisco Member 5 Member For: 18y 1m 27d Posted 09/11/06 12:59 PM Share Posted 09/11/06 12:59 PM one of the guys over on our forum (www.dirtblokes.com.au) has the new white '07 yz450f which I rode on the weekend (as well as the '06 yz450) and I must say I was very impressed.I owned the 06 crf450r and have ridden wr450f's and steel framed yz450f's and must say they have done an exceptional job on the new YZ. It's got lots of beautifully smooth power that brings a huge smile to your dial... I wouldn't race one personally as it would wear me out too quickly. But the fun factor is huge if your testicles are big enough!The main area I found it lacked behind the crf450r was comfort and ergo's. But a softer seat and some high bend bars (as well as low boy pegs) would have it sorted. Oh, and it needs a steering damper more than the honda.Down in vic we can rec rego the YZ's so it's a good option over the heavier WR, but up their I'd probably go the new WR for the extra versatility. You can always tune them to be more like a YZ. Hope that helps :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueboost Member 1,204 Member For: 20y 5m 13d Gender: Male Location: Mackay NorthQueensland Posted 10/11/06 04:27 AM Share Posted 10/11/06 04:27 AM go the new WR, it rules, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NATHOON Donating Members 197 Member For: 18y 3m 20d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 10/11/06 04:34 AM Share Posted 10/11/06 04:34 AM kttttttttttmmmmm the only way to go you get what you pay for!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewdisco Member 5 Member For: 18y 1m 27d Posted 10/11/06 05:19 AM Share Posted 10/11/06 05:19 AM kttttttttttmmmmm the only way to go you get what you pay for!!!←Typically on the KTM you pay an extra 20-30% to NOT have dual chamber forks, to NOT have the lastest model Keihen carby, to NOT have linkage suspenson that's is inherantly progressive, to NOT have DOHC, and to NOT have an alloy frame....Sorry what was it you were paying for ? sorry but I just love a ktm sledging ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac450 Member 1,650 Member For: 18y 2m 4d Gender: Male Location: NSW Posted 10/11/06 06:20 AM Share Posted 10/11/06 06:20 AM kttttttttttmmmmm the only way to go you get what you pay for!!!←Typically on the KTM you pay an extra 20-30% to NOT have dual chamber forks, to NOT have the lastest model Keihen carby, to NOT have linkage suspenson that's is inherantly progressive, to NOT have DOHC, and to NOT have an alloy frame....Sorry what was it you were paying for ? sorry but I just love a ktm sledging !←If you're going to KTM sledge, show some knowledge:The KTM EXCs have won every 450cc enduro bike shootout on OZ, NZ, UK and USA since the 2004 model.They are generally only about 5% dearer than a new jap equivalant.The SOHC head on the 450 EXCcs (SX snd 250 models are twin cam) is more reliable, torquier and easier to maintain (important for enduro competition).They dumped their dual chamber forks in 2005 for more advanced valving designs giving their forks better feel, progression and adjustment without the risk of fork bind.They are the lightest enduro bikes on the market, their chromeolly frames are lighter and stronger than the trendy alloy frames which aren't easily repaired, are bulkier, crack easier and too rigid.Last time I checked, they were running the same Kehin carby as the Jap bikes, but different motors benefir from different carbies.Not having rear linkages is a bonus as you don't have to constantly adjust, grease or replace the bushes. The progression comes from their ingenious rear shock and progressive spring set-up. Your comment on this would indicate that you have never ridden one.What you do get is WP suspension, decent bars, decent std exhaust system, quality chain and quality components you'd pay extra for on Jap bikes.Maybe you got your 20-30% figure from resale where a KTM will generally sell for about 20% more than a Jap bike, easily offsetting the buy price.KTM riders have taken out just about every enduro title all over the world in the last 3 years. Not bad from a small producer.But, all of that aside, dirtbike riding is a skill sport. Unlike cars, only the best riders are able to extract everything out of a standard bike. It makes me laugh to hear guys crapping on about power, weight, etc. Chad Read actually detunes his bike to race it as he finds it too peaky from the factory, the Recent 4 day enduro was won ourtight on a 250cc 4 stroke, and Shane Watts won a World 6 day enduro outright on a 125cc.Also, unlike cars, there are no bad bikes out there from the main players, you simply can't go wrong, even if you buy a bike by colour. If you ride for fun, then pick the bike you like and have fun on it. If you want to race, pick something that you can be competetive on, and something you feel comportable on, if that's something smaller that doesn't wear you out then pick that.The dick size, V8, bigger better thing just doesn't apply in dirt bikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NATHOON Donating Members 197 Member For: 18y 3m 20d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 10/11/06 06:26 AM Share Posted 10/11/06 06:26 AM hes only sledging ktm because he cant go past one!!!! he must be the proud owner of an RMX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac450 Member 1,650 Member For: 18y 2m 4d Gender: Male Location: NSW Posted 10/11/06 06:31 AM Share Posted 10/11/06 06:31 AM hes only sledging ktm because he cant go past one!!!! he must be the proud owner of an RMX←Nah, too good a bike, maybe a CT110 Postie bike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBomb3000 Donating Members 875 Member For: 18y 11m 19d Gender: Male Location: Victoria Posted 10/11/06 07:04 AM Share Posted 10/11/06 07:04 AM (edited) I don't really think there is such a thing as a "best" bike as what is best for one will be different for another depending on heaps of different factors. Despite what some people think outright power is not the be all and end all when buying a bike. Most of the 450's have enough power for your average rider so the way each bike handles and delivers power is more important to me than outright HP.My old WR426 would smash my mates DRZ400 for outright speed and in the more open flowing trails but in the slower tight stuff I could ride just as quick on his bike despite the fact it had less power and not get as stuffed doing it.If I were to buy tomorrow it would be the Gas Gas 450EXC or the CRF450X for me as they were the 2 bikes that I felt the most comfortable on and suited me as a total package. Not as outrightly fast as the KTM but I could ride them faster, if that makes any sense Edited 10/11/06 07:07 AM by JBomb3000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac450 Member 1,650 Member For: 18y 2m 4d Gender: Male Location: NSW Posted 10/11/06 07:15 AM Share Posted 10/11/06 07:15 AM I don't really think there is such a thing as a "best" bike as what is best for one will be different for another depending on heaps of different factors. Despite what some people think outright power is not the be all and end all when buying a bike. Most of the 450's have enough power for your average rider so the way each bike handles and delivers power is more important to me than outright HP.My old WR426 would smash my mates DRZ400 for outright speed and in the more open flowing trails but in the slower tight stuff I could ride just as quick on his bike despite the fact it had less power and not get as stuffed doing it.If I were to buy tomorrow it would be the Gas Gas 450EXC or the CRF450X for me as they were the 2 bikes that I felt the most comfortable on and suited me as a total package. Not as outrightly fast as the KTM but I could ride them faster, if that makes any sense ←Well said, and exactly my point earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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