Adam Here since the start... Lifetime Members 10,282 Member For: 21y 6m 18d Gender: Male Location: Victoria Posted 31/10/06 08:12 AM Share Posted 31/10/06 08:12 AM It's dirt cheap compared to what us early birds payed for the original edit boxes.Not to mention the added functionality!Posts removed...There's no point posting up all these links to the units on Ebay US!They cannot be used on our vehicles so there's no point continually bringing it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetute Donating Members 4,553 Member For: 20y 9m 12d Gender: Male Location: brisbane Posted 31/10/06 08:33 AM Share Posted 31/10/06 08:33 AM (edited) I think it is overpriced just as the flash box was over priced when it first came out.... I still bough one although I thought it was over priced (I paid $1250).... It was easy to ask for more with the flash box as we had no alternative back then.However, most of us here already have the flash box and can now wait till the price comes down to purchase am guessing these will not walk out the door at the same rate the flash boxes originally did for this reason.anyone that runs business would do the same thing and cash in while they can.. sell as much as possible at the higher price and when sales become stagnant or slow the price will come down. that's the way it works If I was bringing them in I would do exactly the same thing if you are like me and think the price is high, just dont buy. It will come down in the future... no point in complaining about though as it will do no good Edited 31/10/06 08:34 AM by jetute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley Scott www.australianflag.org.au Donating Members 6,763 Member For: 19y 3m 27d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 31/10/06 08:43 AM Share Posted 31/10/06 08:43 AM (edited) NOSI understand where you are comming from. Unfortunately CAPA have a stranglehold and can charge whatever they like.Back in 03/04 though, long before I owned a T, There were Unichip, Powerchip and a some others. In the end, most of those products have fallen by the wayside and or serve very small markets within, what is already a small market.Like it or hate it, mate you cannot influence market forces. Personnally, I think they are over priced, and should never come with a generic tune/s. I have choosen not to own one.My 2c.ScottyPS us Brisbane people are lucky we have a real alternative in the RDP system. Edited 31/10/06 08:45 AM by Kimberley Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjc Donating Members 2,823 Member For: 21y 2m 10d Gender: Male Location: Townsville Posted 31/10/06 08:52 AM Share Posted 31/10/06 08:52 AM I wonder how the Ford VCM suite is coming (if at all). You know that they can do LS1 realtime tuning now with v2.1.12...And oh, looky here, VCM Suite "Home Tuner" GM Std (up to 4 VIN numbers, or 1 x VIN + 1 Model Year): $955Yeah, we're getting TOPS value from CAPA Ford VCM suitetwo weeks ←I have heard a month at the most as they too are having the problem about the "buy credits" thing!From what I have seen of the VCM for holden, Fords is going to be the sh*t as far as tuning capability and ease of use.Doesn't help me at the moment though as my ute has a ghost in it and wont even crank over now. thought it was the keys giving the problem as the symptoms are to the book as far as problems go but have ruled it out.The mega buck CAN SCAN my mechanic has wont access the pcm now so I hope it isnt the computer sh*tting itself!Oh well more money into the Ford again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageF6 Donating Members 1,622 Member For: 20y 6m 25d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 31/10/06 08:53 AM Share Posted 31/10/06 08:53 AM (edited) NOSI understand where you are comming from. Unfortunately CAPA have a stranglehold and can charge whatever they like.Back in 03/04 though, long before I owned a T, There were Unichip, Powerchip and a some others. In the end, most of those products have fallen by the wayside and or serve very small markets within, what is already a small market.Like it or hate it, mate you cannot influence market forces. Personnally, I think they are over priced, and should never come with a generic tune/s. I have choosen not to own one.My 2c.ScottyPS us Brisbane people are lucky we have a real alternative in the RDP system.←Well said there Scotty, but Unichip old hat? Say it aint so!!! I still run a Unichip on my EF N/A making 160rwkw! I wonder how the Ford VCM suite is coming (if at all). You know that they can do LS1 realtime tuning now with v2.1.12...And oh, looky here, VCM Suite "Home Tuner" GM Std (up to 4 VIN numbers, or 1 x VIN + 1 Model Year): $955Yeah, we're getting TOPS value from CAPA Ford VCM suitetwo weeks ←I have heard a month at the most as they too are having the problem about the "buy credits" thing!From what I have seen of the VCM for holden, Fords is going to be the sh*t as far as tuning capability and ease of use.←Interesting bjc. I do like to sometimes, but being serious for a sec, it'll be a good thing for us all, competition wise when Ford VCM eventually does eventuate. Edited 31/10/06 08:59 AM by SavageD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley Scott www.australianflag.org.au Donating Members 6,763 Member For: 19y 3m 27d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 31/10/06 08:55 AM Share Posted 31/10/06 08:55 AM And my daughters Bug is running a fully sic single carbie, get with the times. Scotty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageF6 Donating Members 1,622 Member For: 20y 6m 25d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 31/10/06 09:00 AM Share Posted 31/10/06 09:00 AM :spoton: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratter Member 6,793 Member For: 18y 5m 17d Gender: Male Location: @ my laptop Posted 31/10/06 09:15 AM Share Posted 31/10/06 09:15 AM SCT vin lock all their boxes, capa do not do itThe live wire has only just been released at SEMA in the states, and most of the SCT dealers are complaining because SCT has not given any of the dealers any information regarding the unit, although 1 magazine ran an add for it last month and Jegs has them for sale on their website.You do not even need a flash box to use the data logger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulus Donating Members 1,279 Member For: 19y 10m 9d Location: Perth Posted 31/10/06 09:23 AM Share Posted 31/10/06 09:23 AM NOS XR, I agree with your sentiments regarding the tuning solutions available to Falcon owners.Having used LS1 Edit, VCM suite and also the SCT Advantage, the Ford tuning software sucks arse compared to the GM tuning for several reasons.1. Having to sell a tuning box as part of a tuning solution is cost inhibitive, eating into both the profit one can make from tuning, and also inflates the cost of the service/product delivered to the end user. Tuning for GENIII's costs, on average, $500-$800. Dealer cost for a tuning box is at least $740, plus tuning fees from your tuner, costing the Falcon owner at least $1000 for the box and one custom tune. $500 - $800 for a good custom tune and no piece of hardware represents much better value.2. The box can only be locked/unlocked 5 times before it has to be resent to the US to be unlocked. Both represent an unwanted cost and inconvenience.3. Uploading/downloading calibrations wastes valuable time compared to VCM Suite.Watch the price of the SCT gear for the Australian model cars plummet 50% when another tuning solution becomes available. It can't happen soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul@eliteauto Member 843 Member For: 18y 2m 13d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 31/10/06 09:24 AM Share Posted 31/10/06 09:24 AM All I can see is alot of unhappy people done the track.Make a few little mistakes and bang, there she goes. Having tune adjustabily is just asking for trouble in my opinion.The Daterlogger is only a good for tuning hard core on a dyno or maybe on the track. I have one. For the lay person its a complete waste of time I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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