Sct New Tuning Tool From Capa - Xcal 2

[bcl]

There are people out there (not dealers), who do want to do their own tuning, so the “Strategy Flash Device” will be for them.

I had a read of the CAPA release material yesterday.

I did not see a statement that the data logger would work with the old flash box I.e backward compatible.

Brian

[Guest]

I'd rather CAPA kept out of this new product because if it can be Vin locked you know they'll give it a go.

Ive talked to many top tuners who all protested to CAPA about the locking of the Edit box. The price we pay for a tune may drop by up to 50% if vehicle owner don't need to buy the product just use the one at the tuners work shop.

[turbotom]

I can't believe the bitchin' that goes on about prices amongst you young'uns!

If a vendor can not make any money from investing in research and development of a product, then there will be NO product.

When the XR6 turbo was released, there was NO way to get around the locked FORD computer. We now have a tool that allows us to modify the code inside the ford computer to provide excellent performance improvements without any undesirable side effects.

Sure the SCT devices sell in the US at a lower price...

BUT THEY ARE NOT COMPATABLE WITH THE AUSTRALIAN FORD ENGINE CODES !

Someone has to modify them to be compataible.....

CAPA HAS put in the hard yards (time), and money, to make it happen.

A myriad of excellent tuners across the country have excelled at generating some fantastic results for our beloved turbo 6 using this tool.

The lower number of potential customers in Australia (compared to US) makes the distribution of development costs / unit higher... These CAPA boxes, after all, are customised for Australian FORD vehicles.

Don't lose track of the fact that we've got a tool which converts our stock XR6T's into HSV killing machines for a very little outlay of money.... and this has occured in the past 3 years because of the R & D that manufacturers of performance goods create.

Having said all that, I can't see any major advantage in upgrading my edit box for the new devices here. My car is running fine with the old box.

If however, buying a unit for another vehicle, then obviously the added features are welcome....

But seeing that Livewire product on the web is an indication of where all these tuning tools are going......

Livewire is a definite "Must Have!"

But how much will IT cost when modified to run on our Ausie designed/built Fords?

And if there is a continual resentment of someone who actually puts in the time to do so, will they be willing to do so?

At the end of the day, pricing will be influenced by supply and demand.

Personally, I think CAPA should approach FPV, and look at the Livewire package as being an optional extra that can be ordered and integrated into the central display. Now that would be a great accessory which many enthusiasts would be keen on.

cheers

tom

[exahsix]

I have to agree with Tom, $1000 for a flash box to safely and easily upgrade your XR6T to a killer machine is a small price to pay.

Sure there are positives and (few) negatives about the supplier but I say well done to CAPA for investing in this product and it's R & D and bringing it to market. We should support those that support us. Nothing wrong with trying to get the price donw a little but let's realise that everyone has to make a living and CAPA have invested their capital at the front end.

[Guest]

Nothing wrong with trying to make a buck BUT the vin locking of the tuning boxes has kept the edit out of the hands of most.

Whos still got a regined DVD player? Are you happy that the maker of the DVD player tell you what you can watch or how you can use the product.

The Vin locking of the edit is a bitch of and act.

Personally Ive had nothing but trouble from my edit box, from being sold the wrong product to custom tuning that did nothing for my car, hold on at last count I lost 2rwkw. I did the custom tune got 177rwkw and now have 157rwkw and I paid $800 for that. I welcome the new products hope they work better.

By the way $800 for nothing means I paid more than most for the RnD of the Edit box and the cost continues.......

Edited 30/10/06 11:43 PM by NOS XR

[turbotom]

Nothing wrong with trying to make a buck BUT the vin locking of the tuning boxes has kept the edit out of the hands of most.

Whos still got a regined DVD player? Are you happy that the maker of the DVD player tell you what you can watch or how you can use the product.

The Vin locking of the edit is a bitch of and act.

Personally Ive had nothing but trouble from my edit box, from being sold the wrong product to custom tuning that did nothing for my car, hold on at last count I lost 2rwkw. I did the custom tune got 177rwkw and now have 157rwkw and I paid $800 for that. I welcome the new products hope they work better.

By the way $800 for nothing means I paid more than most for the RnD of the Edit box and the cost continues.......

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here's some news for you NOS.....

The VIN lock is to protect the investment dollars that CAPA have put in and

I would also assume, that the deal with SCT is such that the source code can NOT be released for public consumption. It's called intellectual property.

Good results are being obtained with the XR6T's because the database of tunes has grown enormously with many users....

You sound like you've had a bad experience.... but then again, it appears from your sig that you have a normally aspirated Ford running NOS.

Your situation is compounded by the lower number of people going down that path.

At least your tuner has a means of modifying the factory computer with edit......

If it is inadequate, then go for a complete new computer such as Motec etc.

But be prepared to dig into your pockets even deeper.

A good tuning tool costs money...

but a good tuner is worth much more.

Don't blame your situation entirely on the tuning tool.

tom

[Guest]

The Edit works very well for most but for me its been a serious waste of time and money.....

As for Vin Locking the Edit I think its a quick cash grab, open the market for tuners to do drive in and drive away tuned and you'd find sales in other products would go through the roof very fast, how many guys own edited Ts with no other mods? Are there any?

Un locked edit boxes would light the after market fires for the XR6 comunity just sad companies like fast returns and not long turm sales.

This is just my way of thinking, I can see the point others are saying but its not for me.

How cool would "I'll have a oil and filter change and down load me an edit my good fellow, its to nice a day to waste".

If editing can be done fast with the new tools, and theres no Vin locking wouldn't tuners see hundreds more cars through their doors just for the fuel savings alone? Fleet vehicles would be lined up for miles.

Takes a a few year for most to brake even on the fuel saving when the edit and custom tune cost $1800. If a tune was only $200 per vehicle and the tuner held onto your tunes then the tuner see repeat customers every service for a quick re-flash.

Vin locking hurts everyone.

Edited 31/10/06 12:30 AM by NOS XR

[bcl]

If editing can be done fast with the new tools, ....

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Edit tuning is much much slower than it should be because of the time taken to upload & download the progam/maps between the flash unit and PC.

Tuning is NOT done via a PC directly connected to the flash unit.

It's a case of:

1. set/start mapping parameters on PC

2. download program/map to Flash Unit from PC ... wait for serial transfer to finish

3. dyno run

4. analyse the dyno results

5. upload from Flash Unit to PC ... wait for serial transfer to finish

back to 1 and repeat until required results achieved.

It is an archaic process that adds to the time and cost.

Brian

[Guest]

Edit tuning is much much slower than it should be because of the time taken to upload & download the progam/maps between the flash unit and PC.

Tuning is NOT done via a PC directly connected to the flash unit.

It's a case of:

1. set/start mapping parameters on PC

2. download program/map to Flash Unit from PC ... wait for serial transfer to finish

3. dyno run

4. analyse the dyno results

5. upload from Flash Unit to PC ... wait for serial transfer to finish

back to 1 and repeat until required results achieved.

It is an archaic process that adds to the time and cost.

Brian

But what about the new SCT tools, have they reduced the tuning time????

Ive watched many edit tunes at different tuning shop being done, speed for a tuner and a reduction in price for the customer was why tuners who loved the Uni-chip and alike stuck with that product for so long after the edit came out.

So will the new products be faster to tune.

[bcl]

But what about the new SCT tools, have they reduced the tuning time????

Ive watched many edit tunes at different tuning shop being done, speed for a tuner and a reduction in price for the customer was why tuners who loved the Uni-chip and alike stuck with that product for so long after the edit came out.

So will the new products be faster to tune.

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Easiest way was to ring CAPA (spoke to Justin).

1. The old serial port file transfer has been replaced by USB 2, so the data transfer should be around 10 times faster, although the program still needs to be uploaded & downloaded.

2. The XCAL 2

a. allow only minimal changes, in that only a minimal percentage change, and

b. these minimal changes cannot be saved.

3. The Flash box is still retained (not with XCAL 2).

4. The new data logger will work with the old Flash Box

Brian