Fomoco To Use Smaller Turbos

[AceofSpades]

'Aparantley' the garrets chosen were developed and used to aleviate excessive EGT's and etc.

being built to suit the engine, its fairly unlikeley that they will change the specs, unless they find a cheaper supplier.

they may downsize the turbo, but they cannot really choke off the turbine side any more.. what they can do is redice the inducer size.

the consequences this carries are the need to increase boost to retain output, extra torque loading on the driveline earlier as the smaller rotatong mass should in theory reach boost threshold earlier ( commonly refered to as lag, even though the term is incorrect.)

One other thing for them to look at with this option is the fact that they will then be running the fuel systems at higher pressures as a result of increased boost, so they would likley re-engineer the fuel system and so on and so forth.

while it is possible, there are way to many pitfalls into twidling the proven combo UNLESS there is a sizeable financial benifit in doing so.

We as the motoring public generally will take a back seat to all this.

[TurboDewd]

Speculation - waste of time

[Adam]

I've heard the same story.

As for the current turbo being used it's my understanding that Ford had to use a turbo bigger than required because Garrett wouldn't cover anything smaller under warranty for more than 12 months.

[Fat-Tony]

I've heard the same story.

As for the current turbo being used it's my understanding that Ford had to use a turbo bigger than required because Garrett wouldn't cover anything smaller under warranty for more than 12 months.

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prob from the same source as I lol

[xlnt6]

Yes, it was true, as part of development for the Orion drivetrain, they did think about smaller turbo configuration, because they were already significantly re-engineering the induction of the I6. They actually did this as part of the development of the Territory T, as the original spec for the TT was at a reduced power output.

But this is one point up for the bean counters.... it was decided that it would cost more to re-engineer it, so that ended sticking with what they have already !!

So given there are several Orion drivetrain configured test mules already going around using the same turbo (but with a different inlet and manifold piping configuration), then it is unlikely they would change such a significant component this late in the game.

Also given the new F6 has to make the target power of 300-310 fwkW @ 580 NM and then leave room for future upgrades, it wouldn't make much sense to downsize.

Cheers

Robin.

Edited 01/10/06 01:15 AM by Adam

[Iconic Bionic]

Hmm

[aiboart]

Yes, it was true, as part of development for the Orion drivetrain, they did think about smaller turbo configuration, because they were already significantly re-engineering the induction of the I6. They actually did this as part of the development of the Territory T, as the original spec for the TT was at a reduced power output.

But this is one point up for the bean counters.... it was decided that it would cost more to re-engineer it, so that ended sticking with what they have already !!

So given there are several Orion drivetrain configured test mules already going around using the same turbo (but with a different inlet and manifold piping configuration), then it is unlikely they would change such a significant component this late in the game.

Also given the new F6 has to make the target power of 300-310 fwkW @ 580 NM and then leave room for future upgrades, it wouldn't make much sense to downsize.

Cheers

Robin.

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How does the induction vary to the current setup for the T? Is there a new system specific to NA and another to turbo applications?

Any news of lightweight polymer panels? I know that one of the big plastics companies were chasing Ford Australia about a year ago to implement lightweight precoloured panels for Orion. With the current focus on fuel consumption and performance it seems like a reasonable path for mass produced mid market vehicles to now take.

Also 310 fwkw, with an upgrade path.....

Regards,

aa

[Fat-Tony]

Thanks for clearing it up Robin

[Trough Lolly]

the FPV range would probably keep the bigger snails id say...

[did_4m41]

will next gen F6 produce over 300kW? if so, how about V8? I dun think so, I think they will just improve the handling and fuel consumption, and overall quality.

about the turbo, how about twin turbo? (think of RB26DETT)