F6 RAPID Formerly Turbo6 Donating Members 2,332 Member For: 22y 6d Location: North Brisbane Posted 26/09/06 08:09 PM Author Share Posted 26/09/06 08:09 PM Good call Spiko. I would visit you mate but you are too far away!!However, I will heed your advice. The Bosch044 we were intending on using is definitely going back to the swirl pot with the return. I was going to leave the in-tank Walbro where it is to feed the pot - you are suggesting that maybe this one should be changed?And Dave, $$$ I hear you.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPIKO Gold Donating Members 1,924 Member For: 19y 9m 7d Gender: Male Posted 27/09/06 09:21 AM Share Posted 27/09/06 09:21 AM Good call Spiko. I would visit you mate but you are too far away!!However, I will heed your advice. The Bosch044 we were intending on using is definitely going back to the swirl pot with the return. I was going to leave the in-tank Walbro where it is to feed the pot - you are suggesting that maybe this one should be changed?And Dave, $$$ I hear you..............←Iff you leave the swirl pot size at 2 Litres I would suggest a higher volume pump to feed the swirl pot on 400+ rwkw applications.An easier way to avoid the cost of an extra pump is to build a larger swirl pot. I suggest 3 litres as a minimum if you are retaining the standard in tank pump.RegardsSpiko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no turbo Member 206 Member For: 19y 1m 18d Posted 27/09/06 09:37 AM Share Posted 27/09/06 09:37 AM (edited) shane, just picked up the endoskope and is going home to see whats inside, he should report soon...... Edited 27/09/06 09:38 AM by no turbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPIKO Gold Donating Members 1,924 Member For: 19y 9m 7d Gender: Male Posted 27/09/06 09:39 AM Share Posted 27/09/06 09:39 AM Good call Spiko. I would visit you mate but you are too far away!!However, I will heed your advice. The Bosch044 we were intending on using is definitely going back to the swirl pot with the return. I was going to leave the in-tank Walbro where it is to feed the pot - you are suggesting that maybe this one should be changed?And Dave, $$$ I hear you..............←Iff you leave the swirl pot size at 2 Litres I would suggest a higher volume pump to feed the swirl pot on 400+ rwkw applications.An easier way to avoid the cost of an extra pump is to build a larger swirl pot. I suggest 3 litres as a minimum if you are retaining the standard in tank pump.RegardsSpiko←Ps: also make sure when fitting the swirl pot to the car that your fuel lines are placed and fed at the very bottom of the pot. And finaly make sure that the fuel outlet from the pot if facing the rear end of your car not the front, so that it may compensate for forward motion ( G Forces etc. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSIX Member 566 Member For: 19y 2m 20d Posted 27/09/06 02:30 PM Share Posted 27/09/06 02:30 PM (edited) F6 Rapid, bad luck mate...your misfortune may save others from the same fate...I hope it all goes well for you and your car in the future.----------------------------------------------Walbo pumps guy's be carful who you buy them off, no more ebay pumps, these guys say there genuine (it bullsh!t) there paying $50 for a box of pumps and putting them in there own packaging.Only 2 weeks back we had one fitted to a BF F6 car was tuned everything was fine, but then every time the owner went for a drive after 60 mins or so the car would surge for fuel, once the pump was cold it would be ok for a period of time then play up again.We purchased the same model pump from a reputable dealer cost was $80 more but the result was no more surge.the ebay seller is worried now he has all these pumps out there they may fail. he gave me an appoligy and 100% of our money back.----------------------------------------------------------------The surge tank I had fitted to my car holds around 3.5 litres this is sufficient for my 1/4 mile run.these can be setup with bigger lines, raising rate fuel regulator or which ever way you wish, it also has an outlet for future scope should you wish to change the fuel setup at a later date.I had the shops name who done this work posted but it was removed since then I have had many PM's asking me who did the tank... the guy is extremely busy he works flat out on basically a one man show, he isn't cheap, and its not for everyone..some didn't like where it was where it was fitted.link here:http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/index.ph...topic=27887&hl= Edited 27/09/06 02:40 PM by FSIX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F6 RAPID Formerly Turbo6 Donating Members 2,332 Member For: 22y 6d Location: North Brisbane Posted 27/09/06 08:50 PM Author Share Posted 27/09/06 08:50 PM Good call Spiko. I would visit you mate but you are too far away!!However, I will heed your advice. The Bosch044 we were intending on using is definitely going back to the swirl pot with the return. I was going to leave the in-tank Walbro where it is to feed the pot - you are suggesting that maybe this one should be changed?And Dave, $$$ I hear you..............←Iff you leave the swirl pot size at 2 Litres I would suggest a higher volume pump to feed the swirl pot on 400+ rwkw applications.An easier way to avoid the cost of an extra pump is to build a larger swirl pot. I suggest 3 litres as a minimum if you are retaining the standard in tank pump.RegardsSpiko←Thanks for the info mate - will heed the advice.3 litres it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F6 RAPID Formerly Turbo6 Donating Members 2,332 Member For: 22y 6d Location: North Brisbane Posted 27/09/06 08:53 PM Author Share Posted 27/09/06 08:53 PM Checked one pot (endoscope) and the light source died....................Got to change the bulbs this morning. The number one pot is okay, I hope to God no.4 is........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrb93 Member 84 Member For: 19y 2d Posted 27/09/06 11:56 PM Share Posted 27/09/06 11:56 PM (edited) I like the diagnosis about it melted because the bottom end was more efficient.When you run the car on the dyno, what gear and what KM/h do you run it up to?Going to a swirl pot and a Motorsport pump is the next step, but noisy. Edited 27/09/06 11:56 PM by hrb93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exahsix Member 296 Member For: 19y 3m 14d Location: Monterey, NSW Posted 28/09/06 12:43 AM Share Posted 28/09/06 12:43 AM F6 Rapid, bad luck mate...your misfortune may save others from the same fate...I hope it all goes well for you and your car in the future.----------------------------------------------Walbo pumps guy's be carful who you buy them off, no more ebay pumps, these guys say there genuine (it bullsh!t) there paying $50 for a box of pumps and putting them in there own packaging.Only 2 weeks back we had one fitted to a BF F6 car was tuned everything was fine, but then every time the owner went for a drive after 60 mins or so the car would surge for fuel, once the pump was cold it would be ok for a period of time then play up again.We purchased the same model pump from a reputable dealer cost was $80 more but the result was no more surge.the ebay seller is worried now he has all these pumps out there they may fail. he gave me an appoligy and 100% of our money back.----------------------------------------------------------------The surge tank I had fitted to my car holds around 3.5 litres this is sufficient for my 1/4 mile run.these can be setup with bigger lines, raising rate fuel regulator or which ever way you wish, it also has an outlet for future scope should you wish to change the fuel setup at a later date.I had the shops name who done this work posted but it was removed since then I have had many PM's asking me who did the tank... the guy is extremely busy he works flat out on basically a one man show, he isn't cheap, and its not for everyone..some didn't like where it was where it was fitted.link here:http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/index.ph...topic=27887&hl=←Good call Spiko. I would visit you mate but you are too far away!!However, I will heed your advice. The Bosch044 we were intending on using is definitely going back to the swirl pot with the return. I was going to leave the in-tank Walbro where it is to feed the pot - you are suggesting that maybe this one should be changed?And Dave, $$$ I hear you..............←Iff you leave the swirl pot size at 2 Litres I would suggest a higher volume pump to feed the swirl pot on 400+ rwkw applications.An easier way to avoid the cost of an extra pump is to build a larger swirl pot. I suggest 3 litres as a minimum if you are retaining the standard in tank pump.RegardsSpiko←Thanks for the info mate - will heed the advice.3 litres it is.←OK guys, I don't get it - I have looked through the thread attached and seen the swirl pot that you've fitted. Whilst it looks like a premo job, it's just another fuel tank at the back of the car....I thought the job of a swirl tank was to have an amount of fuel (say 3 litres) always handy to the injectors and with enough capacity so they can't run dry. A 3 litre aluminium tank at the back of the car seems to me a way around having to engineer the normal fuel tank and supply lines properly and hence deliver the goods.Wouldn't the best way of running a swirl pot be to have it mounted on the chassis rail near the firewall, real close to where the injector rail is? That way it doesn't need to travel up and down the length of the car..... The standard tank and higher capacity pump can feed the swirl pot, then that uses a motorsport pump to feed the injector rail....I'm just thinking out loud here guys, of course Spiko and Rapid and others have done this in the real world - I'll be guided by your experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeighD Donating Members 255 Member For: 20y 4m 29d Location: Perth Posted 28/09/06 01:19 AM Share Posted 28/09/06 01:19 AM There is no real problem in placing the surge tank at the back of the car as long as the fuel pump and lines from the surge tank to the fuel rail are sized accordingly. I don't know if you would find a good place for the surge tank on the fire wall. I would also be hesitant to put it any further up front cos a front end accident could be a real problem if one of those big fuel pumps started spraying fuel all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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