Ems Vs Edit

[Headsex]

3 years ago I made over 300rwkw on std injectors at which time everyone else said no you need bigger at 230 - 240 rwkw 6 months ago nizpro did 290rwkw this is because they are getting the hang of the software better than most others

I could really comment here. But this would be turning it into a personal attack, which I am not interested in doing.

As I am not a "tuning" company, nor do I make money in "tuning". There is no need for me to bias on which system is the most best to go with based on profitable benefit.

I am unsubscribing myself from this thread as it has turned to pure

Danny.

Edited 12/08/06 09:29 AM by Headsex

[Adam]

Dag's, put up that merri-go-round and lock this thread will ya!

[phildub]

Wether or not peak kws are made or not made with a ecu is a far far far cry from what is being discussed here. We are talking about the consistancy of the tune. How well they start hot and cold the idle quality the acceration enrichment and so on. One point that no one has talked about yet is the fact that the after market system will have no chance of keeping the emmision check light from appearing on the dash [bF models] within the first 100 km road test.Now one would think that this check light has only been added for the benifit of road side testing for the aurthoritys some time in the future.They pull you over check the dash light and "ping" your off the road.At this point the after market ecu will go the way of the dodo.

[Fat-Tony]

Some people have missed the point

this thread was originaly started to discuss if an stand alone computer name EMS would be as good as an edit controlling the show. Clearly both ecu's have pros and cons going for them.

Really such a hard thing to discuss when there is always going to be DIFFERENT INTENDED APPLICATIONS and one ecu will outshine another in one particular application and vice versa.

Edited 12/08/06 10:00 AM by Fat-Tony

[Adam]

The point hasn't been around for quite some time now.

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[phildub]

I think its still on track the edit guys have given us all the advantages compared to the EMS and DW has told us they make more power on std injectors. I would still like to know how well they drive in day to day driving. Cold starts, idling ,higher rpm limites, torque tags, economy and so on.This is far more important to most of us than how much power you can make on std injectors,as most of us have bigger injectors anyway.I just like a car that starts on the first coulpe of cycles and then idles well.Peak power is only one tiny part of the typical driving that we do.If the car is a pig the rest of the time forget it.

[Fat-Tony]

I think its still on track the edit guys have given us all the advantages compared to the EMS and DW has told us they make more power on std injectors. I would still like to know how well they drive in day to day driving. Cold starts, idling ,higher rpm limites, torque tags, economy and so on.This is far more important to most of us than how much power you can make on std injectors,as most of us have bigger injectors anyway.I just like a car that starts on the first coulpe of cycles and then idles well.Peak power is only one tiny part of the typical driving that we do.If the car is a pig the rest of the time forget it.

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As I said intended applications, is your car a drag car or a street car. On knowing the advantages and disadvantages of both systems you make a choice on which applicaiton you go for based upon how you want the car setup knowing all the info. Just because one system has proven to be more streetable doenst mean the other system is sh*t. Its horses for courses.

This is all mearly OPINION based and what one man thinks is best isnt always what another man wants.

Edited 12/08/06 10:29 AM by Fat-Tony

[phildub]

Granted and I'm not here to say the ems is sh*t, but the origanal question was

"yes yes its been discussed before but that was AGES ago when the edit was in its early days..

now that scm V3 software and all is out I want honest opinions "would the ems be as good as the edit?"

I mean this in a EMS ONLY application, not with edit combined.

what are the advantages, if any? "

So it would appear the answer to question one would be "NO" even in a BA drag car as all the fastest Ts have been edited one way or another, this answer also answers half of question two.

Answer to the last part, according to DW they make more power on std injectors and he seems to think they are quicker to tune, which is fine but the "results are not speaking for themselves" the edit is.

Now this does not say the ems wont drive the car up the road even reasonable well

but it dosen't appear that as an all round package it is anywhere as good,again no knock controll and no way of lifting rpm limits which is very important in a drag race.

[Fat-Tony]

All good points, but unfortuantly the industry has been really dominated firstly by unichip and now edit. No1 has really been given a chance to develop EMS to work well on the car ect.

That said in relation to the original question I dont think you can acutually run the car 100 percent entirley on the an EMS ecu, im pretty sure it has to retain the stock ecu to control certian components. Which now makes this threads original post obsolete and this thread worhtless