SHOCK Team Grandpa Donating Members 1,921 Member For: 18y 9m 2d Gender: Male Location: Hunter Valley Posted 28/07/06 10:14 AM Share Posted 28/07/06 10:14 AM (edited) Update.Put to a secret ballot last week 80% disapproved 20% approved.New agreement4.5% for each year. Five year term.Increase of another sickday without certificate (4days).and retrenchment payout increased to 17years of service from 15year cut off.O/T stays as time and a half for the first 3 hours, Double for 2 hours then back to time and a half for the next 3 hours.Pretty sure this one will go through. ←personally I would not go for that its not enough and as for the overtime rates why not have time and half for 2 hours then double time after that and double time for as long as you are working←Do you by any chance work at Mitsy's champ.or is it Holden Edited 28/07/06 10:15 AM by SHOCKXR6T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Sucker Moderating Team 32,303 Member For: 20y 9m 7d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 28/07/06 10:25 AM Share Posted 28/07/06 10:25 AM (edited) Unions have no pull anymore - so it's not possible for them to have ANY influence in a bargaining agreement.They are now even more useless than they have ever been. Edited 28/07/06 10:26 AM by tab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetute Donating Members 4,553 Member For: 21y Gender: Male Location: brisbane Posted 28/07/06 11:45 AM Share Posted 28/07/06 11:45 AM Unions have no pull anymore - so it's not possible for them to have ANY influence in a bargaining agreement.They are now even more useless than they have ever been.←praise the lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumpen Poison Fish. Poison Fish. TASTY FISH!!! Donating Members 5,181 Member For: 21y 10m 17d Gender: Male Location: The Bogan Shire Posted 28/07/06 01:06 PM Share Posted 28/07/06 01:06 PM They are now even more useless than they have ever been.←Conditions for the working class had been bad for millennia. The industrial revolution, however, concentrated labour into mills, factories and mines and this facilitated the organisation of trade unions to help advance the interests of working people. The power of a union could demand better terms by withdrawing all labour and cause a consequent cessation of production. Employers had to decide between giving in to the union demands at a cost to themselves or suffer the cost of the lost production. Skilled workers were hard to replace and these were the first groups to successfully advance their conditions through this kind of bargaining.The main method the unions used to effect change was strike action. Strikes were painful events for both sides, the unions and the management. The management was upset because strikes took their precious working force away for a large period of time, and the unions had to deal with riot police and various middle class prejudices that striking workers were the same as criminals, as well as loss of income. The strikes often led to violent and bloody clashes between police and workers. Factory managers usually reluctantly gave in to various demands made by strikers, but the conflict was generally long standing.In England, the Combination Act forbade workers to form any kind of trade union from 1799 until its repeal in 1824. Even after this, unions were still severely restricted.In 1842, a General Strike involving cotton workers and colliers and organised through the Chartist movement stopped production across Great Britain.The labour movement brought an end to child labor practices, improved worker safety, increased wages for both union and non-union workers, raised the entire society's standard of living, reduced the hours in a work week, fought for and won public education for children, and brought a host of other benefits to working class families.This is particularly important for groups who are more likely to suffer labour-market discrimination. On average, women in Britain earn 20% less than men for the same work but women who are union members earn 24% more than those who are not . In countries that restrict the right of citizens to this form of free association economic growth does not seem to be enough in itself to correct such problems. In China for example, the pay gap between men and women has actually increased in recent years despite the booming economyThe achievement of the eight-hour day has been described by historians such as Rowan Cahill: one of the great successes of the Australian working class during the nineteenth century, demonstrating to Australian workers that it was possible to successfully organise, mobilise, agitate and exercise significant control over working conditions and quality of life. The Australian trade union movement grew out of eight-hour campaigning and the movement that developed to promote the principle.1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favorable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment. 2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work. 3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favorable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection. 4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.Many union shearers were outraged when Logan Downs Station Manager Charles Fairbain asked the shearers to sign a contract that would reduce the power of their union. On January 5, 1891 the shearers announced a strike until their demands for a contract ensuring the following: * continuation of existing rates of pay * protection of workers rights and privledges * just and equitable agreements * exclusion of low-cost chinese labour (which manifest itself later as Labor Party policy - the Immigration Restriction Act, also known as the White Australia Policy) * The shearers' war : the story of the 1891 shearers' strike (1989) Stuart Svenson, UOQ Press. * Industrial War - The Great Strikes 1890 - 1894 (1995) Stuart Svensen ISBN 0646227971 * Anarchism and State Violence in Sydney and Melbourne 1886-1896, (1986) Bob James.[1] * The Dramas of Haymarket accessed 23 June 2005 [2] * May Day, The Workers' Day, born in the struggle for the eight-hour day, Andy McInerney, in Liberation & Marxism, issue no. 27, Spring 1996 [3] * Mayday: A short History of 100 years of May Day 1890-1990 Melbourne May Day Committee, (1990) * Unionism and the Labor Movement, John Child, (1971) * A Documentary History of the Australian Labor Movement 1850 - 1975, Brian McKinley (ed), (1979) ISBN 0909081298Useless?Brendan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOCK Team Grandpa Donating Members 1,921 Member For: 18y 9m 2d Gender: Male Location: Hunter Valley Posted 28/07/06 01:17 PM Share Posted 28/07/06 01:17 PM lumpys in da house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Sucker Moderating Team 32,303 Member For: 20y 9m 7d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 28/07/06 11:38 PM Share Posted 28/07/06 11:38 PM They are now even more useless than they have ever been.←Bla bla f*cking bla..........Useless?Brendan ←Does that come in a concise version – currently working hard for my employer so don’t have time to sift through all your diatribe (When I say working, I mean unpaid weekend work, as in a salary package, as in JH had nothing to do with this, it was my decision to take it and glad that I did) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumpen Poison Fish. Poison Fish. TASTY FISH!!! Donating Members 5,181 Member For: 21y 10m 17d Gender: Male Location: The Bogan Shire Posted 29/07/06 03:40 AM Share Posted 29/07/06 03:40 AM Does that come in a concise version – currently working hard for my employer so don’t have time to sift through all your diatribe (When I say working, I mean unpaid weekend work, as in a salary package, as in JH had nothing to do with this, it was my decision to take it and glad that I did)←The concise version would be labor relations for the past 1000 years before 1950.You know, unpaid serfdom, child labour, dangerous working conditions, unequal pay etc etc etc.his·to·ryn. pl. his·to·ries 1. A narrative of events; a story. 2. A chronological record of events, as of the life or development of a people or institution, often including an explanation of or commentary on those events: a history of the Vikings. Of course this is all irrelevant because history NEVER repeats itself or anything Trent, merely because YOU are in a position where you have enough skills to be truly valuable to your employer and the intelligence/guile to negotiate a fair deal with them doesn't mean that everyone else does, or should have to.Brendan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Sucker Moderating Team 32,303 Member For: 20y 9m 7d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 29/07/06 03:47 AM Share Posted 29/07/06 03:47 AM Why not? Can't see why I should suffer through someone else's laziness/ineptness.And sorry I can't recall much about the 1950's - so maybe they did have a use half a century ago so I apologise for that. But they are most certainly useless now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumpen Poison Fish. Poison Fish. TASTY FISH!!! Donating Members 5,181 Member For: 21y 10m 17d Gender: Male Location: The Bogan Shire Posted 29/07/06 04:02 AM Share Posted 29/07/06 04:02 AM And sorry I can't recall much about the 1950's - so maybe they did have a use half a century ago so I apologise for that. But they are most certainly useless now. ←My point about the period prior to 1950 is that if humans can do that to each other once, there really isn't any reason why it can't happen again... Unions fought for alot of things aside from earnings and wage conditions. Lumpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Sucker Moderating Team 32,303 Member For: 20y 9m 7d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 29/07/06 04:06 AM Share Posted 29/07/06 04:06 AM (edited) And sorry I can't recall much about the 1950's - so maybe they did have a use half a century ago so I apologise for that. But they are most certainly useless now. ←My point about the period prior to 1950 is that if humans can do that to each other once, there really isn't any reason why it can't happen again... Unions fought for alot of things aside from earnings and wage conditions. Lumpy ←Yes, point noted, BUT THEY ARE USELESS NOW!It amuses me all the advertising campaigns they have at the moment attempting to scare people as a ploy to boost their member numbers. You'd get more assistance and satisfaction out of joining a bowling club FFS. Edited 29/07/06 04:07 AM by tab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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